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                    <text>JULIA JOLLEY:	Mrs. Winter.  What was it like to raise children here in Nampa?  &#13;
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AGNES WITNER:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	What was it like to raise children here in Nampa?&#13;
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AGNES:	What would I like to read?&#13;
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JULIA:	No.  What was it like to raise children?  You had a son, Bill?&#13;
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AGNES:	I don’t know.&#13;
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BILL WINTER:	What was it like to raise children in Nampa?  You raised two children in Nampa.  What was it like to raise them here?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What I like to read?&#13;
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BILL:	No, what was it like to raise children in Nampa?&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh.  Well, what would I like to raise children in Nampa.&#13;
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BILL:	What was it like to raise them in Nampa, years ago?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Years ago, what was it like to raise children in Nampa?&#13;
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AGNES:	Years [00:01:00] ago?  &#13;
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BILL:	Was it hard to raise children?&#13;
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AGNES:	What I like to raise children?&#13;
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BILL:	Was it hard to raise children?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, was it hard to raise children.  I don’t think so.&#13;
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BILL:	You don’t think so?&#13;
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AGNES:	No.  I think they just grew up like they do now.&#13;
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BILL:	Same way, huh?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Did we have plenty to eat?  &#13;
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AGNES:	No.&#13;
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BILL:	We didn’t.  &#13;
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AGNES:	I didn’t what?&#13;
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BILL:	Did we have plenty of food to eat?&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh?&#13;
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BILL:	(laughs) This isn’t going to work.  Go ahead.&#13;
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JULIA:	Mrs. Winter, did you go to school here in Nampa?&#13;
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AGNES:	Did I go to school here in Nampa?  &#13;
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JULIA:	Mm-hmm.&#13;
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AGNES:	I went to school here in  Nampa, yes.&#13;
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BILL:	Where?  [00:02:00] &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Where did you go to school?&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, at Lakeview.&#13;
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JULIA:		How did you get to school?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	How did you get to school?&#13;
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AGNES:	How did I get there?  &#13;
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JULIA:	Mm-hmm.&#13;
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AGNES:	Walked.&#13;
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JULIA:	Was it a long ways?&#13;
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AGNES:	And I had a bicycle.  But we didn’t ride in any school buses or anything like that.&#13;
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JULIA:	You rode your bicycle.  Did you ride horses?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	Did you ride horses to school sometimes, or just bicycle?&#13;
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AGNES:	Did I like walking to school? &#13;
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BILL:	Did you ride horses to school?  Did you ride a horse to school?&#13;
AGNES:	No.&#13;
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BILL:	Just bicycle.&#13;
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AGNES:	Just a bicycle.  &#13;
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BILL:	How far was it?&#13;
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AGNES:	Well, I think we were a couple miles.&#13;
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BILL:	A couple of miles.  &#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.  &#13;
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BILL:	What did you do with your bicycle when you got to school?&#13;
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AGNES:	Let’s [00:03:00] see, we parked them.  Just parked them.&#13;
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BILL:	You told me once you parked them at the butcher shop.&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, we did.  Yeah.  We rode our bicycles as far as the butcher shop, parked them there.&#13;
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BILL:	Then you walked to school from there?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.  It was only a few blocks.&#13;
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JULIA:	What did you children do at recess?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	  At school, did you have recess?  What did the children do?  Did they play?&#13;
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AGNES:	Well, we lived on the north side.&#13;
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BILL:	Did you have recess at school?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.&#13;
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BILL:	What did you play?&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, pum-pum pull away, and just games like that.  [00:04:00] &#13;
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BILL:	Hopscotch?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Did you play hopscotch?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.&#13;
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BILL:	Marbles&#13;
AGNES:	Yeah.&#13;
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JULIA:	Can you tell me a little bit about it?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Can you tell us more about it?&#13;
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AGNES:	More about?&#13;
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BILL:	What you did at recess?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, at recess.  Oh, we played pum-pum pull away, I remember.  Just games like kids do now.  We played hide and go seek, and just games.  &#13;
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JULIA:	What did you study in school?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	What did you study in school?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What did we play in school?&#13;
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BILL:	Study.  What did you study?&#13;
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JULIA:	What did you learn?&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, [00:05:00] what did I learn?  I learned all I know.  Just that’s all the schooling I had, was what I learned there.  &#13;
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BILL:	Did you learn how to read?&#13;
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AGNES:	Did I learn how to read?&#13;
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BILL:	Yeah.&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.&#13;
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JULIA:	And spell?&#13;
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AGNES:	Spell.  &#13;
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JULIA:	Science?&#13;
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AGNES:	Arithmetic.  &#13;
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BILL:	How did your folks get to Nampa?  Why did they come to Nampa?&#13;
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AGNES:	Why?  Well, they both come by themselves.  They both come to this country and settled here by themselves.&#13;
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BILL:	Why did they come to Nampa?  [00:06:00] &#13;
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AGNES:	Why did they come?&#13;
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BILL:	To Nampa?  &#13;
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AGNES:	I don't know.  &#13;
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BILL:	Didn’t your dad work on the railroad?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah, he did, but not after I was around.  He laid the (inaudible) when the track went through Nampa.&#13;
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BILL:	Didn’t he help lay the track going to Boise?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Did he help lay in the track to Boise?&#13;
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AGNES:	No, I don’t think so.&#13;
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BILL:	How come your mother came here?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	How did your mother get here, to Nampa?&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, I don’t know how she happened to get here.&#13;
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BILL:	Her brother was farming here, [00:07:00] wasn’t he?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Her brother farmed here.&#13;
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AGNES:	My mother was born here.  &#13;
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BILL:	No, her brother farmed in Nampa.  &#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, yeah.&#13;
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BILL:	I thought we might get a little more out of her.&#13;
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JULIA:	Mrs. Winter, did you work in the school when you were older?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	Did you work at the school?  Didn’t you help your husband at the school sometimes?&#13;
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AGNES:	Did I work in a school?&#13;
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JULIA:	Did you help sometimes at the school?&#13;
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AGNES:	No.&#13;
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BILL:	You didn’t help Dad in the school?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	You didn’t help Dad at the school?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, yeah.  Yeah, I did.&#13;
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BILL:	What did you do?&#13;
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AGNES:	Just cleaning up, [00:08:00] dusting, that kind of stuff.&#13;
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BILL:	What did Dad do?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Dad?&#13;
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BILL:	What was he doing then?&#13;
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AGNES:	Let’s see, Dad farmed.&#13;
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BILL:	No, my dad.&#13;
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AGNES:	Your dad?&#13;
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BILL:	Yeah.&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah, your dad farmed.&#13;
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BILL:	Wasn’t he janitor at Kenwood?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Wasn’t he janitor at Kenwood?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.&#13;
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BILL:	That’s where you helped him.&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah, helped him some there.&#13;
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BILL:	Then where did he go after he was at Kenwood?&#13;
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AGNES:	I don’t remember that he went anyplace.  &#13;
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BILL:	Didn’t he go to the high school?&#13;
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AGNES:	No.&#13;
BILL:	He was janitor at the high school after he was janitor at Kenwood, right?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	He was janitor at high school.&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.&#13;
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BILL:	Did you help him there too?&#13;
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AGNES:	Some.  [00:09:00] Not very much.&#13;
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JULIA:	Do you remember what years it was?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	Do you remember what years?&#13;
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AGNES:	What year he went to school?&#13;
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JULIA:	No, that you helped him.&#13;
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BILL:	What year you helped him?&#13;
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AGNES:	What year did I help him?  I don’t know.&#13;
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BILL:	When did he start at the high school?  What year?&#13;
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AGNES:	I can’t remember.&#13;
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BILL:	Wasn’t it about 1924?&#13;
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AGNES:	Someplace along in there.&#13;
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BILL:	And he worked there until 1955.&#13;
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AGNES:	Until ’55?  I don’t remember.&#13;
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BILL:	(inaudible)&#13;
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JULIA:	Mrs. Winter, [00:10:00] what was it like to go shopping in Nampa?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	What was it like to go shopping in Nampa?  Did you go get groceries and go buy clothes?  Can you tell me what that was like?&#13;
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AGNES:	I don’t know.&#13;
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BILL:	When you was younger, when did you do most of your shopping?&#13;
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AGNES:	When I was younger, where did I do it?&#13;
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BILL:	Yes, when and where?&#13;
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AGNES:	When and where.  Well, there was a Fair store, it was on 11th Avenue.  And there was two stores, there was Fox.  [00:11:00] I can’t remember, what was the other store?  &#13;
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BILL:	How about Consumers?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Esulers?&#13;
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BILL:	Consumers.&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Consumers.&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, Consumers.  I don’t think it was a Consumer then, I remember it was a Fair store.&#13;
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JULIA:	What did you buy at the stores?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	What did you buy at the Fair store?&#13;
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AGNES:	Groceries, mostly.  &#13;
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BILL:	What year was this?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Well, I don't know.  [00:12:00] &#13;
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BILL:	In the early 1900s?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	In the early 1900s?&#13;
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AGNES:	The 1900s?  Yeah, I think so.&#13;
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JULIA:		What did you buy up Falk’s?  What kind of store was that?&#13;
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AGNES:	The Fair store?&#13;
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BILL:	How about Falk’s?  What kind of a store was Falk’s?  What did you buy there?&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, Falk’s, they had most everything.  They didn’t have hardware.  Well, they had some hardware there, hardware, too.&#13;
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BILL:	What was the one of the first buildings you remember in Nampa?  [00:13:00] &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
BILL:	What was one of the first buildings you remember being built in Nampa?&#13;
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AGNES:	Seems to me it was the Fair store.&#13;
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BILL:	Do you remember when the Hasbrouck House was built?  &#13;
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AGNES:	No.&#13;
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BILL:	You told me once that you remember standing on Main Street, and the first thing you could see out Fourth Avenue was the Hasbrouck House&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.  [00:14:00] I guess it was.&#13;
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BILL:	Where was the Catholic church then?&#13;
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AGNES:	It was on the corner of Main Street and...  what avenue?  Must have been about 12th Avenue.&#13;
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BILL:	12th And Main.  &#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.  &#13;
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BILL:	Was there a hospital there too?&#13;
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AGNES:	No.&#13;
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BILL:	Where was the first hospital?  &#13;
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AGNES:	The first hospital.  I couldn’t tell you.&#13;
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BILL:	Were you born in the hospital?&#13;
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AGNES:	Was I born in the hospital?  No.&#13;
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BILL:	Where were you born?&#13;
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AGNES:	I was just [00:15:00] born in a house.&#13;
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BILL:	Where?&#13;
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AGNES:	On 11th Avenue, I think it was.&#13;
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BILL:	You wasn’t born in the farmhouse?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	You wasn’t born in the farmhouse?&#13;
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AGNES:	No.&#13;
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BILL:	Where was your farm where you were raised?&#13;
AGNES:	Out on the farm.&#13;
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BILL:	Where was it?&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, out there just about where it is, now.  It was out that road, (inaudible) Ankentell had part of our place.&#13;
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BILL:	How many acres was there?&#13;
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AGNES:	I don’t know.  I think there was 60, [00:16:00] but I wouldn’t swear to it.&#13;
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BILL:	What did your dad raise?&#13;
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AGNES:	What did he raise?  Just general farm.  Just general farming.&#13;
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JULIA:	Like what, corn, wheat?&#13;
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AGNES:	Had a few cows.  He always had a lot of cows.&#13;
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JULIA:	Did you have to help with the chores?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yes.  &#13;
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BILL:	Did you milk cows?&#13;
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AGNES:	I never milked cows.  &#13;
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JULIA:	Did you help your mother in the house?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yes, [00:17:00] I did most everything in the house.  I never did much farming or garden, or anything like that.  The men folks did all that.  &#13;
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BILL:	Are you all right?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah, I guess so.&#13;
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BILL:	Go ahead.&#13;
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JULIA:	Tell me what you did in the house with your mother.&#13;
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AGNES:	Just the general housework.&#13;
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JULIA:	What?&#13;
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AGNES:	I did a lot of cleaning, [00:18:00] seems to me, like.&#13;
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BILL:	Did you cook?&#13;
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AGNES:	Not very much.&#13;
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BILL:	Iron?&#13;
AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Did you do any ironing?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Did I do anything ironing?  With three brothers?  Yes.  I ironed shirts, and shirts, and shirts.  &#13;
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JULIA:	Did you have to sew?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	Did you have to sew?  Did you make all your brothers’ shirts?  Did you sew them?&#13;
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AGNES:	Not all, but most of them.  That’s where I learned to sew all men’s shirts, because there [00:19:00] was three boys.&#13;
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JULIA:	Did you have any sisters?&#13;
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AGNES:	No sisters.&#13;
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JULIA:		Just you and three boys?&#13;
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AGNES:		Just three brothers.&#13;
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JULIA:		Did your mother can in the summertime?  Did she put up fruit?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yes, a lot of fruit.&#13;
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JULIA:	Tell me about that, can you?&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:		Tell me about it.&#13;
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AGNES:	Tell you about what was canned?&#13;
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JULIA:		Mm-hmm.&#13;
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AGNES:	Well, course we raised lots of vegetables.  I don’t know, we did a lot of farming.  &#13;
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BILL:	Here’s a little drink [00:20:00] of water.  Is that better?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.&#13;
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BILL:	How we doing?&#13;
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JULIA:	Pretty good.&#13;
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AGNES:	We had quite a berry patch, and quite a big orchard.  &#13;
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JULIA:	Did you put up fruit then?  &#13;
AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	Did you have to put up fruit, can fruit?&#13;
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AGNES:	Did I put up canned fruit?  Yeah, lots of [00:21:00] it.&#13;
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JULIA:		Did you do it on a woodstove?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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JULIA:	Did you do it on a woodstove?&#13;
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AGNES:	Just on a cookstove, yeah.&#13;
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JULIA:		Do you want to tell me anything else?  Do you remember World War II?  &#13;
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BILL:	Do you remember World War II?&#13;
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AGNES:	Do I remember it?  Yes.&#13;
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BILL:	What’d you do during World War II?&#13;
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AGNES:	I stayed at home.&#13;
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BILL:	Did you do any knitting?&#13;
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AGNES:	Did I do any knitting?  Very little.  My mother did the knitting.&#13;
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BILL:	What’d she knit for?&#13;
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AGNES:	She knit mostly socks.&#13;
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BILL:	What for?  [00:22:00] &#13;
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AGNES:	I don’t know what it was for.&#13;
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BILL:	For the Red Cross?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yes, my mother did that, a lot of it.&#13;
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BILL:	You just stayed home and wrote letters.&#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	You just stayed home and wrote letters?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yes.&#13;
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BILL:	Who’d you write letters to?&#13;
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AGNES:	Well, just to my family.  Our dad was in the war.&#13;
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BILL:	Which war was he in?&#13;
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AGNES:	He must have been in World War II.&#13;
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BILL:	No, he was in World War I.&#13;
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AGNES:	He was in World War I?  &#13;
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BILL:	I was in World War II.  You’re having a terrible cough.&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah, [00:23:00] World War I.  Charlie was in World War I.&#13;
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JULIA:	Is that your brother?  &#13;
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BILL:	Was Charlie your brother?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
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BILL:	Was Charlie your brother?&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
JULIA:	Did all three of your brothers go to war?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
&#13;
JULIA:	Did all three of your brothers go to war?  Just Charlie.&#13;
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BILL:	Why did you stay home?&#13;
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AGNES:	Why [00:24:00] did I stay home?  Well, I never did work.&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh, my immediate family.  Yes.&#13;
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AGNES:	Oh.  &#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
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JULIA:	You didn’t have rubber pants, did you?  You had to make all the baby clothes?&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah, [00:26:00] yeah, with my foot.&#13;
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&#13;
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AGNES:	I kept a lot of them, yes.&#13;
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JULIA:	What did he say in some of them?  &#13;
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BILL:	What did I say in my letters?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Not too much.  (laughs)&#13;
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BILL:	True.&#13;
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 &#13;
AGNES:	What?&#13;
&#13;
JULIA:	Did they cut up the letters if he told secrets?  Or did they just mark them out?&#13;
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AGNES:	No.  &#13;
JULIA:	Is there anything else you want to tell us, Mrs. Winter?  &#13;
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AGNES:	What?&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
AGNES:	Well, I was born here.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
AGNES:	1895.&#13;
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&#13;
AGNES:	I can’t remember.  Oh, I think Mr. Jacobson [00:29:00] had it.  He had a little red car.  He was crippled, and he could drive this car.&#13;
&#13;
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&#13;
AGNES:	Yeah.  He used to come out to the farm, he and his youngest -- not his youngest, daughter second to the youngest daughter.&#13;
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BILL:	Is that George Jacobson’s dad?  &#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	Yeah.  &#13;
&#13;
BILL:	Do you remember when the Dewey Palace was built?&#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	Mm-hmm.  Yeah, I remember when that was built.&#13;
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AGNES:	Yeah.&#13;
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&#13;
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&#13;
JULIA:	Can you tell me about it?&#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	I remember that we had one dinner down at the Dewey Palace that was some sort of a celebration.  I don’t know what we were celebrating.  I can’t remember.  But it was a family affair.&#13;
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BILL:	Do you remember the old harvest festival?  &#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	Yeah.  &#13;
&#13;
BILL:	How did they do that?  Where was the old harvest festival?  &#13;
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AGNES:	Just downtown Nampa.&#13;
&#13;
BILL:	Down on the street?&#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	Down on the street.&#13;
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AGNES:	Food?&#13;
&#13;
BILL:	Booths, you know, what did they have in the streets?  &#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	Oh, I can’t remember that they had anything special, just ordinary.&#13;
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 &#13;
AGNES:	What?&#13;
&#13;
BILL:	Did they have card games?&#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	Downtown?  No.&#13;
&#13;
BILL:	What did they have?&#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	That I can’t remember, either.&#13;
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BILL:	How about bingo?&#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	Yeah, they had bingo.&#13;
&#13;
BILL:	What else did they have?&#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	Oh, I don’t know [00:32:00] just some years one thing, some years another, I guess.  I can’t remember anything special.  &#13;
&#13;
JULIA:	I’m running out of tape.&#13;
&#13;
AGNES:	I’m choking on that.&#13;
&#13;
BILL:	I’m sorry.  A little more water?&#13;
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                    <text>JOE MAYFIELD:	 -- Ed Ware, 145 Yale Street, Nampa, Idaho.  Ed is the narrator.  I am Joe Mayfield, the interviewer.  It is May 22, 1985.  To the transcriber, the lead is just a little bit long on this, but the interview is coming.&#13;
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JOE:	You told me yesterday that you and your family came in this area about 1920.&#13;
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ED WARE:	No, I came in here as an individual in 1921.&#13;
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JOE:	I see.  About how old were you?&#13;
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ED:	I was 19 years old.&#13;
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JOE:	And how (inaudible)?&#13;
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ED:	Nine years.&#13;
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JOE:	Nine years.  What was it about Nampa [00:01:00] that attracted you and your family?&#13;
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ED:	Well, I left my family.  I wasn’t married when I came here, of course, and my family never did live here until after I was married.  I mean, that’s my family.  My family is still back in Missouri.  Now, Nampa at that time in the early ’20s was thought to be known as the town or city in Idaho most apt to succeed.  It was a growing, impressive, alert, alive, energetic town made up of people of those characters.  Boise, of course, was on the [00:02:00] branch line, and in coming out to Idaho, my objective was to become a schoolteacher.  At that time, in order to get a certificate to teach school in Idaho, you only had to be a high school graduate and complete nine weeks of normal school training, and then you could get a certificate to teach school, and the -- I don’t know (inaudible) for schoolteachers was operating, and there had been instructors from Lewiston and Albion come to [00:03:00] Boise, and some of the (inaudible) the Boise public schools would take the head of some classes together with these instructors that had come from the other two (inaudible).  So I came to Idaho expecting to be a schoolteacher and went to normal school and -- the Boise Summer Normal they called it -- was held in the high school building on Washington Street in Boise.  And I completely my nine weeks of Summer Normal School, got a certificate to teach at a school up in the mountains up on Rush Creek out of Cambridge, Idaho, where I had all eight grades [00:04:00] and I was the janitor.  I got there at (inaudible) in the school in the morning before anybody else in the wintertime, built the fire, and had a little room (inaudible) ready for the students when they came.  I think we had all eight grades, we -- I had all eight grades, and all in the one room.  So the students that were in the seventh and eighth grade, they had to review all their ABCs, when we’d be holding class of the first and second graders.&#13;
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JOE:	Thank you very much.  That kind of gets you located in the city of Nampa.  Now, that was about what year?&#13;
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ED:	Nineteen-twenty-one, 1922.&#13;
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JOE:	Nineteen-twenty-one, ’22.  And then when you came back a little bit later than that – [00:05:00] And what was your reason for coming back then?&#13;
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ED:	Well, between 19-and-21 and 19-and-30, I had taught school.  I had finished Normal school at Lewiston and received my life certificate for teaching in the grade schools at Idaho.  That was a two-year course.  Then I was married while I was a student at Lewiston to my wife, who passed away two years ago in March of this year.  She had went to Alaska [00:06:00] and taught school at Kodiak in 19-of-24 and ’25 as a schoolyear fall of ’24, spring of ’25.  Then we came back to the States and I enrolled at Whitman College in Walla Walla, seeking a degree in economics.  I had credits that I had earned at Lewiston Normal were, for the most part, accepted at Whitman.  And so while I was going to school there for two years, my wife taught one year at La Grande, Oregon, 100 miles from Walla Walla, and the next year she came to Walla Walla [00:07:00] and taught school at a joint school district some seven or eight miles out of Walla Walla, and then I finished and got my degree in economics in 19-and-27 at Whitman.  Now, let’s see.  Then I went into the insurance business, went to work for the Metropolitan Life in Walla Walla, and was an agent there for a year, and had fair success and was promoted and put in charge of the Young Hill Washington district for the Metropolitan Life and was there as that district manager [00:08:00] for about 11 months and was then transferred into the larger Metropolitan Life office in Tacoma where I had a crew of some 22 agents.  I was one of two submanagers in Tacoma for Metropolitan Life, and that was in 1928.  I left Metropolitan Life and went to Seattle as northwest manager for the -- I’ve forgotten the name of the company now -- out of Chicago.  And it was there that I decided [00:09:00] that I wanted to become an entrepreneur.  I wanted to have something for myself instead of working for someone else, and decided that I would like to go into the general insurance business and learn.  My wife and I were here on a little spring vacation in 1930, April or May of 1930, after the big stock market crash in 1929, and the last people were cattle raisers over in Owyhee County.  So I learned that there was an elderly gentleman here who had an insurance business and was interested [00:10:00] in having someone to help him with his work, and we got together on a deal and incorporated his agency, known as the C.R. Hickey Agency.  And some five months after that (inaudible) I became active here in Nampa June the 1st, 1930, and about four months after that, Mr. Hickey was taken seriously ill, lived a few months, passed away.  I had the responsibility of the general insurance business and [00:11:00] was not too familiar with it.  As a matter of fact, I sometimes thought maybe I was in a situation that I couldn’t handle.  But people were good to me.  They tolerated me.  The companies were good enough and they tolerated the fact that I was new in the general insurance business.  So I acquired Mr. Hickey’s family’s interest in the agency, and it was located upstairs over the Idaho First National Bank building where Gene Schiller’s law office is at this time.&#13;
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JOE:	Well, thank you very much.  That is kind of a review of how you got to Nampa and the reason why you came.  Obviously you landed here at the [00:12:00] beginning of what we all know as the Great Depression, and let’s visit about that just a little bit.  From your point of view, how did Nampa react to the Depression?&#13;
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ED:	Of course, this is an agricultural area.  I question if there were very many people involved with stocks and bonds here in Nampa at that time, it being an agricultural area and a population of -- I don’t know -- maybe about 4,000 people in 1930.  But people here knew about the Depression.  They read about it, heard about it on radio.  But the impact of the Depression really didn’t get to Nampa til about [00:13:00] 1931, and then foreclosures on farms and business properties and residents started.  Banks, I think we had a bank holiday -- I don’t remember for sure now, but I think we did -- and if you had cash and loan value on your life insurance policy, no matter what the company was -- the biggest companies in the United States, you could not draw but a limited amount of cash or loan value out of your policy.  Farm laborers were -- men here in Nampa would go out and work on [00:14:00] farms, a dollar, a dollar-and-a-quarter a day, and they took their own lunch.  The office lady in our office, who was there when I became associated with the agency in 1930, I think her salary was 65 -- I think her salary was 50, maybe 60 dollars a month.  But after the Depression came, just average office help -- typing and filing -- women, girls, were happy to work for 30 dollars a month here in Nampa [00:15:00] in my office.  There was one lady here who had spent a number of years in an insurance office and was known as being a very, very well-informed insurance person.  I imagine that she was probably the only one -- if not the only one, one of very, very few women typist stenographers drawing 100 dollars a month at that time.  I bought a house [00:16:00] over on 17th Avenue and 6th Street, paid 1,500 dollars for it.  I imagine that today, the house would probably list for 20-25,000.  Carpenters, we had some remodeling done to suit our particular needs, and one of our carpenters that worked at the house is still living here in Nampa, and he worked for a contractor, contracted the job, and I think his wages were 50 cents an hour, [00:17:00] which for eight hours is four dollars.  That was four times as much of a man working on a farm all day long in hay, sun up to sundown for a dollar a day, dollar-and-a-quarter.  And so help around the premises, mowing the yard, trimming trees, drew a pretty fair wage -- twenty-five cents an hour.  I’ll never forget one time, I had a couple of the boys from Northwest Nazarene College come over and do some work for me, and when they got through, I asked them -- I knew how many hours they’d worked.  I said, “How much do I owe you boys?”  [00:18:00] So of course their mathematics was real fast.  They were college students.  And what they told me came out at 40 cents an hour.  Well, I never did hire them anymore.&#13;
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JOE:	(laughs) Well, thank you.  That tells us quite a bit about economic situations.  Do you recall whether or not during the early ’30s or even the late ’30s whether or not there were any bank foreclosures in the area?&#13;
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ED:	I just don’t recall.  There was a moratorium, but a bank closed in 1923.  [00:19:00] The bank occupied the building where the library is now, and they paid me 50 cents on the dollar for what I had in there, and that’s all I ever got.  Now, that was in ’23.  After 1930, the Depression, I don’t remember of a bank going broke here.  Maybe it did.  Certainly money was tight.  Sorry, but I just don’t recall that.&#13;
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JOE:	That’s all right.  Quite obviously, in a depression as heavy as that was, there are many people who you might say were down and out and didn’t have anything, or very little.  Do you have some observations to make, how the [00:20:00] people who really didn’t have anything, how they were treated in Nampa?&#13;
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ED:	Well, I had very little reason of coming in contact with them, except when they would be coming to the house for some food.  The railroads didn’t bother the men who were riding the rails.  They were going from one locality to another, trying to find work, but I know there were soup kitchens, of course.  But I had little contact with them.  I don’t believe, though, [00:21:00] that we had the trouble with the burglaries and robberies then that we have now in 1985.  Those fellows that were roaming the country were not dishonest.  They were just down-and-outers.  They were looking for work, and they would beg before they’d steal.&#13;
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JOE:	All right, fine.  Thank you.  That’s really, really good.  Now I don’t know how closely you were associated with politics in those days, but do you recall that the Depression had any effects on what we would call city politics?&#13;
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ED:	Well, in 1930, I was 28 years old, [00:22:00] and I was so involved with making a living that I just didn’t worry anything about politicians.  And if they affected my life in any way, it wasn’t direct.  It was indirect.&#13;
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JOE:	(laughs) I think that’s a very good answer.  I remember that myself.  Now, you remember a man by the name of Roosevelt very well, of course, and you remember the New Deal, and a lot of the programs that he instituted.  Do you have some recollections about the New Deal and its effect on the recovery from the Depression period?&#13;
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ED:	During the Depression, we did not take a [00:23:00] morning newspaper at our house because most of the news in there was depressing, and I didn’t want to start the day with that frame of mine.  I knew that before night came, and I probably would feel depressed for one reason or another, but I wasn’t looking for a chance to start out with it in the early morning.  So I just never concerned myself about something that I didn’t feel that I had much of a chance to do anything about.&#13;
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JOE:	I like that answer too.  (laughs) The farming community, of course, was really the big deal in here.  In the early days, this was the economy, wasn’t it?&#13;
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ED:	[00:24:00] And the PFE (inaudible).&#13;
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JOE:	And the PFE, the railroad.  The railroad and the farming community.&#13;
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ED:	Right.&#13;
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JOE:	Now do you have any recollections other than what you have already said rather indirectly about the farming community?  Let’s say the price of the products -- potatoes, for example.&#13;
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ED:	I don’t recall because I had business with the produce houses here in Nampa and I didn’t worry very much about the price of potatoes.  I don’t remember what the farmers got for them.  [00:25:00] I knew that most of the potatoes and lettuce were shipped out of here in refrigerated cars.  Ice -- the PFE ice shops here, they manufactured ice that they would put in the bunkers at the refrigerated cars.  But I do remember milk at seven cents a quart and eggs at eight, nine, ten cents a dozen.  Peaches and pears out of Sunnyslope, as I recall, were maybe a dollar, dollar-and-a-quarter a bushel.  We really never had to worry too much about those prices because [00:26:00] if people didn’t have the money to buy groceries or farm produce, they could go to the fruit ranch or the potato farmer or the onion farmer and (inaudible) potatoes and onions and fruit that was not harvested.  There was more than ample for just the taking and the farmers and the fruit raisers were glad for people to come and pick up the surplus that they couldn’t sell or deliver to the produce houses anyway.&#13;
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JOE:	[00:27:00] That might’ve been one way the poor people were cared for by the city of Nampa and by the community.&#13;
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ED:	I’m sure that’s right, and I expect that the churches here played quite a part in seeing that food did not lay outside and go to waste.  In the matter of beef prices, my father-in-law was a cattle raiser over in Owyhee County, and I can remember his feeling very happy when he sold one or more carloads of beef cattle in the Omaha Market at nine cents a pound.  He [00:28:00] would go back to Omaha with the carloads of cattle and come back with a check, and then also I remember his saying about the price of hay.  He says, “For every penny that we can get for our beef cattle, we can pay one dollar for a ton of hay.”  Nine-cent cattle, nine-dollar hay.  Today, 60, 65-cent cattle, 60, 65, 70-dollar hay.  So I guess his rule of thumb still operates.&#13;
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JOE:	During [00:29:00] World War II, what are some of the things that you recall about that happened here in Nampa?  (inaudible)&#13;
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ED:	Well, we had the ration board.  There was probably 15 of us that volunteered our services for the ration board.  I remember a lady who is still quite a bit in the public eye -- an actress -- who came through, came to Nampa.  She was selling or promoting [00:30:00] a sale of war bonds, and the Dewey Palace Hotel -- where the First Security Bank is now, or at least in part -- on the veranda was crammed with people wanting to see this girl and to obligate themselves to buy war bonds.  I remember the parades up and down Main Street, our fellows who were going off to the service.  I remember [00:31:00] several of the people who were directly involved with the military.  They’re no longer here, of course.  They were grown men then.  Superintendent of schools John Walsh, who was later Adjutant General, [Windsor Lloyd?], and [Ben Davies?], the hardware man, and Mr. [John Winter?], who owned the [Golden Rule?] store.  Those are just a very few of those who come to my mind now that were visibly [00:32:00] active as a result of and in the war effort.&#13;
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JOE:	Was there any indication on the part of any of the people, either younger or older, not to support the war effort?&#13;
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ED:	I think there were probably some that did not enthusiastically support the war.  They were not convinced that the men who were doing the fighting, who were being called [00:33:00] by the draft or were volunteering, were fighting for the cause that news media tried to instill in the people of the country.  Of course, we always have those negative thinkers, and they were in the minority and were not very vocal, obviously.&#13;
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JOE:	Do you recall whether or not there was any -- at least some percentage of the people that would be described as conscientious objectors?&#13;
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ED:	I can’t recall any conscientious [00:34:00] objectors who were really known as being conscientious objectors.  There were people of German extraction who still had a fond feeling for their ancestral home for their parents had come from.  Maybe some of them had immigrated to the United States themselves.  [There were?] very definitely sympathetic to the idea of the fatherland.  [00:35:00] But they, as I say, were not very vocal, and wisely so.&#13;
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                    <text>JOE MAYFIELD:	-- about your experience that covers quite a bit of time being Santa Claus in Nampa.&#13;
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JOE:	Well, that’s kind of a good investment to make, isn’t it?&#13;
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