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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Farmers and horse drawn plows Subject The topic of the resource Farm life Horse-drawn vehicles Draft horses Description An account of the resource Two children standing in foreground with four horse-drawn plows in background. Agricultural equipment Draft horses Farm labor Farming https://d1y502jg6fpugt.cloudfront.net/76642/archive/files/a9d41f5403cd32efffb96f72b4f486ab.mp3?Expires=1789603200&Signature=eT5NVXJ1jP5n%7EEksoS7zRjvL77V-b%7E5yFqVYLSlpTyQAPEcdKNX8nvCMPjGkwhCcGQPcUP2sWT1JVHNBZuk80Anr7WBAK9tFPwMBQg8uJhATz4LgJprg%7ESaTaKfRQg57nV6-R2nJTUfXoIpLqFnB9UsxaW79LPcBA50T%7EPZzNevdxn62L9QdMmD0u-lw8L3QivmK6gxiZTjv5gybsennwQt6B-KfPpsLUmMXNAKVt%7E0pWKtCUHMlKAMch68gRnADXhqhktgxB5gxxTN-JrvXjcPoiQzEeV5qPN2ApHSLufA4cBcA%7EcE7h5O%7EBTwUXQ7QfNB0h9OUb7HK4UVdv9bOrw__&Key-Pair-Id=K6UGZS9ZTDSZM 52720509e55d8d3e626adb40edc04384 PDF Text Text SUE: Elmo Crill at the City Hall. SUE: What are your earliest memories of Nampa? She asks questions about the prohibition, but that would be just when you were really small. ELMO: [00:00:30] Well, my first impression of Nampa was, really was my first day in school. I had never been to any school room that had more than one door. So I had started the school up in Tamarack [00:01:00] that fall, and then we moved back to Nampa. And, well, for a while, I started to go to Kenwood. So the first day I go to Kenwood, we were living down on 14th Avenue South, 13th, 15th. And a little ways, my cousins lived next door. So they brought me to school. I came up 14th, and then there, you got the corner of Kenwood, down the corner of 14th and [00:01:30] 6th. I went into the school building, and they took me to class. They were in another room, and one of them was in the same class, or same grade. And they said, now, you wait for us to, before you go home for dinner. Well, that's fine. So when noon came, lunch break came, well, you know me, I knew how to get home. I knew where we'd come in, and so I went back to the corner [00:02:00] on 14th and 6th Street. But instead of going down 14th Avenue, where we lived, I went straight down 6th Street. And I kept going, and I kept going. And I finally came to Roosevelt, where the road ended at that time. And I knew that was home, so I turned around and come back. And when I got back to the school, [00:02:30] my aunt, my mother, and the schoolteacher, and everybody was out looking for me. And so I seem to always remember, I never had the idea that I'd lost. I just knew I was wrong, so I turned around and came back. But I really, I think this happened, that is, that I've been lost ever since. SUE: [Laughs] ELMO: That was one of the first impressions. [00:03:00] Then we moved, after that, we moved to Emmett, and we lived in Emmett for 12 years. And then we came back, that was in 1915, and we came back in 1927. And I went to the College of Idaho for two years. And then when I, depression times and no student loans or anything, [00:03:30] I went to work at the Carnation. So then I moved back to Nampa, other than for about a year when I was down in Florida, I've lived in Nampa ever since. Then prohibition, why, there wasn't too much. We were, there was, well, I was told, of course, we were [00:04:00] fortunate, I guess, that schools never had anything like that, that told you to find things. But it was, it was a you to find things. But it was, it was a pretty dry town, and being a church-oriented city, why, it was probably a lot drier and stuff than, than, than Boise would be. ELMO: [00:04:30] The old Interurban used to come in the first time that I can remember seeing Santa Claus. Why, we all went down to the old Interurban Depot, which is what, what is it, the place where Idaho Power Company is, that was the depot. SUE: Across from [00:05:00] the Post Office. ELMO: The Power Company was in the urban, or the Interurban Depot for years, and then they tore it down and made this new building, but the old building was there for years. SUE: Was the Interurban Depot, was that the trolley system that ran through? ELMO: Well, that was what they called the Interurban Loop, and it went, came from Boise, came through Nampa, and went to Caldwell, and then went back on what is now Highway, [00:05:30] on the other side, went through Middleton, Star, Eagle, back that way. Also used to go out, there was a spur from here that went out to Deerflat to Lower Dam. It used to go out there. But anyway, But anyway, Santa Claus came in on the Interurban train, and we train, and we all stood there, and he gave us sacks of candy. That's the first [00:06:00] time I ever saw Santa Claus. That was many years ago. SUE: It's funny, the things that, that stick in your mind, isn't it ELMO: Yeah the impressions that one can get, uh, one of the other impressions when I was real small was that, uh, we, I think it was the same, same time, I'm not sure, but, uh, we went to the old Dewey Palace and ate in the dining room. Of course [00:06:30] at that age, why, that was a wonderful situation. I don't know what we had or anything, but it was a fancy place, and that always sticks in your mind. Your first impression's always more or less. SUE: And sometimes it seems when we're children, too, things seem larger. ELMO: Oh yeah, oh yeah, it's surprising because I know that, uh, [00:07:00] the creeks or the irrigation ditches we used to swim in have shrunk, uh, tremendously since we got older. It was miles wide, now they're only only a small ditch. One of the, uh, it talks here about, SUE: [00:07:30] The question, what was life like in Nampa prior to World War I? ELMO: Well, it was, you know, in the days, early days before, uh, in the Depression days, everybody was, uh, early 20s, late 20s, the Depression was [00:08:00] in the late 20s, early 30s and the, 30s and early 40s before the war, why, it was always more or less Depression days, nobody had any money and there was no TV, no, very little radio, and you main, more more or less made your own entertainment and, uh, there was, one of the popular sports in everybody at that time was roller skating on [00:08:30] the sidewalks and they would have big parties and everybody, 10, 15 people in a group would be going roller skating at one time and they'd usually end up at somebody's house and have refreshments or go down someplace and buy a hamburger for five cents but in those days everybody didn't miss any money because nobody had any. But, uh, it mainly was that type of [00:09:00] make your own entertainment. Of course, I was pretty much involved in the summer and winter time and those, in the 20s and 30s up to the World War, I was mainly involved in baseball and basketball. SUE: Was it through the school then or was it separate like American Legion sports are now? ELMO: No, of course, they had high school football, baseball, and [00:09:30] basketball, but I, out of high school, I played, it was mainly town teams. There wasn't any such thing as American Legion baseball or there it was usually what they call association was all C's. That was one of the things that was a lot of entertainment or now you could get maybe 25 or 30 [00:10:00] people to go to watch a a sandlot ball game. You could get four and five hundred because that was one of the things that they did. That was one of the only entertainments they had and I played on, uh, after I got out of high school and college, I played on the Nampa baseball team for several years and also on the basketball [00:10:30] team for several years, probably from about 1928 to 1934-35. They had both, they had a, both were town teams, played the different teams. They were all town teams, Boise, Nampa, Caldwell, Middleton, and when [00:11:00] uh they, it was the basketball loop and baseball loop was Boise, Emmett, Nampa, Caldwell, Huston, Melba, and what they used to call, out here they called the Franklin, Franklin community had a baseball team [00:11:30] and that was the, that was the league that we usually played in. It was all more or less merchants sponsored the thing and since there was no TV or anything like that why that was one of the main attractions that people went to. SUE: But, and [00:12:00] basketball then would have been the same thing during the winter. ELMO: Yeah. SUE: For a social event. Where did they play? Was it at the? ELMO: We played, Nampa played out at the old rodeo park. Before they really made it into Horseshoe, it was the old rodeo park. We played there, we played baseball out there and we played basketball out at the Nazarene, [00:12:30] the old two places, either at the Nazarene College most of the time, at at the old gym out there or at the Methodist Church gym. One of the most embarrassing situations I think was that I had playing basketball was [00:13:00] we were playing Star and Star played in the old Grange Hall, which is just off of the road of the Star, just after you make the turn to go to Emmett on that road there, and it was one building with, heated by two stoves, one at each end. We were playing basketball and I made a fast break, took off [00:13:30] down the court, all by myself, and I either stumbled or fell down and I slid right into that stove and about 10 or 15 feet a stovepipe came down, SUE: Oh no! [laughs] ELMO: sat all over the place, SUE: Smoke ELMO: ... and I slid into that stove, and it wouldn't have been so bad if I'd have got shoved, but I was all by myself completely, [00:14:00] and that's one of the things that I usually remember about playing basketball in this area. Some of the little cracker box we played in, that place particularly, you couldn't shoot a long shot to save you because they had rafters about three feet above the baskets, but it was a lot of fun, I really enjoyed it. One [00:14:30] of the guys around here that still used to play on those teams, two of the Sites boys used to play on the basketball teams, Harry Long was the coach, and most of them there on the baseball teams, why uh Van Moad was the catcher [00:15:00] on one year or two years, Dr. Johnson, Gray Johnson was one of the pitchers, and Herman Tiller played on that same team, and that's probably about all that's still living in there for the rest of them, he either died or moved off. SUE: It was mostly volunteer ELMO: Yeah, it was supposed to be semi-pro, [00:15:30] but it was mostly semi. I think one year we got $10, but that was a lot of money in those days. We paid the pitcher, we had a pitcher, he was Don Newbill, and I haven't run into this new Don Newbill that's in town, but I'm sure that this Don Newbill that's living here in town, working here in town, is the son of this Don Newbill that [00:16:00] I knew when we were playing baseball. But you can become an instant hero just as well as that. I remember one time playing baseball in Melba, and I was playing second base, and we played out there in a cow pasture, probably about 40 or 50, if there [00:16:30] are not too much. And I was going not too much. And I was going back, where the bases were, there was a small irrigation ditch running across the field, and I was going back, they put a pop fly up, and I turned back as far as I could go on the thing to catch this fly, and I stepped in this ditch and fell down, right on my back, and I just throwed my hands up to protect my face from the ball, and the ball can pop [00:17:00] right in the mitt like that. And And I was a hero. All you see is it just happened, and I'm amazed. SUE: It's nice it happened that way. ELMO: Yeah, Yeah, sometimes. Well, you always remember the good things, you don't remember the bad things. However, I do remember one time when I was playing second base, and we hit a grounder, and I went clear over on the [00:17:30] between second and third to pick up the grounder. Made a real good stop of that thing, and then turned around and threw way over the first baseman's head, and the guy went clear to third base. So, you see, but you don't remember, you only usually remember the good days, the good things, the bad things are just easier to forget than the good things. [00:18:00] No, it may say that either in school or out of school, your athletic prowess in school is, increases in direct proportion to the number of years you've been out of school. You get your D to become greater and greater the longer you're away. SUE: You talked about people during [00:18:30] the Depression. Were the farmers, was Nampa then primarily dependent on agriculture? ELMO: Yeah, the farming was, it was practically all farming. There was very little industry in town other than the railroad. The railroads was here, and the PFE was here, and Coronation [00:19:00] was here. And that's about all as far as employment on the thing. SUE: Did many people move in from other areas, like the great migrations into California, did Idaho? ELMO: Not particularly, not during that time. There was quite a lot of people came into this area from the Dust Bowl in [00:19:30] Arkansas, Kansas, and Texas in those times when they had the big Dust Bowl storms back there, but not too many. Most people went to California because that's where the industries were. Of course, your farmers was practically all hand labor, and you could always usually find work on the farm by either in the haying, it took quite a crew because it was all put [00:20:00] up by hand. Your topping of the corn was all done by hand. The beets were the sugar beets were all plowed, and then they just plowed them out of the ground, and then you had to go along and cut the tops off of them. And that was a lot [00:20:30] of farm labor that way. You could usually always find some kind of employment to the place. I remember during the deep depression part of the stuff, and before they started what they called NRA, the National Recovery Act, and right just before the war, why we used to work just part-time out at Carnation [00:21:00] so that everybody had a chance to work. And we worked maybe three days a week, four days a week, and that was usually what happened. SUE: Since a lot of the farm work was seasonal, were the people that worked, did they live locally, or were many of them migrant workers? ELMO: No, they were all, at that time, they were all, practically [00:21:30] all, practically all was local. It was practically all local. Until, really, the first migrant people that started to come into this area was about time, a little after the war, during the war mainly, because there were many, but the German POWs [00:22:00] became migrant farm workers. They would, the prisoner of war camps here would contract the prisoners out to the farmers to do that because of the shortage of labor that came in because of the war and so many people gone to the war. Before that, one of the main, there was a few people came through [00:22:30] on apple picking and stuff on the slope like this, but most of that was, most of that was all younger people, young white people who were school-aged kids and this type of thing. One of the reasons was that it was just too hard. Your cars weren't good enough, your roads weren't good enough, you couldn't, you couldn't get around very fast. [00:23:00] Those that did have cars at that time, why, there wasn't enough roads to run it. It used to take you, if you could get 35 miles an hour on any of the roads around here, you was lucky. Because most of the roads were, most of the roads in the country, practically all of the roads in the country were not paved at that time. The paving came in after the war. SUE: [00:23:30] After the second war, World War II. ELMO: Mhm. And that is what brought mechanization partially to this area and migrant workers started to come in at that time simply because the area started to fill up that way. [00:24:00] But that was about the only place you could find employment in this town was, at that time, was farm work. And it was usually seasonal to the place where it started in the spring and went into the fall and then there was a lot of, the WPA came in during those depression [00:24:30] times and a lot of the people worked on WPA. So, anybody that didn't have a steady job could usually find work for a few days on WPA and that was, that was progress administration. And this gym here, the gym back of this building here and the gym at [00:25:00] Central High School or Central School were all built by WPA work and that was all hand work. SUE: Those are, the one at Central especially is a lovely building. What about the CCC, were those mostly local people or did they bring those people in? ELMO: The CCC didn't come in here until considerably after the war, as I recall it. No, it seemed like that [00:25:30] CCC people would come in from the cities, mainly the cities. The few people who worked in the CCA here were taken out of the country and put someplace else in other parts of the country and worked here. You know, maybe one or two superintendents like that, but most all of them were brought in and there wasn't too many, too many in this area. [00:26:00] Mostly they were in one of the big CC camps was up towards, up towards Arrow Rock Dam up there in that place. Most of them were all in the mountains, so there was a little bit of work done here around the Lake Lowell down here, but other than that there wasn't any CCA work done in this area. You see, I used to come to town, there [00:26:30] was a CC camp over in the Owyhees in the place where I used to work. SUE: She asks about the Non-Partisan League Farmers Organization. ELMO: I really don't know much about that. I didn't live on a farm, I worked on a lot of farms around then, but really I didn't know [00:27:00] much about it. SUE: Were there many business failures or bank closures in Nampa, or was it uh, because it was a farming community, able to kind of relate to that? ELMO: There was, uh, I don't recall a whole lot of, of uh bankruptcy, but of business failures, there really was only just a few of the type of stores that [00:27:30] was, maybe the grocery stores closed. Most of all of it was, the business in town was grocery stores, barber shops, drug stores, dry goods stores, this type of thing. Most of thing. Most of them were pretty solid businesses. I don't, I don't, I really don't recall a whole lot of [00:28:00] closing, but the banks, they did have a big bank failure all over the country when they closed the banks here. And what they used to call the Stockman's National Bank closed and just merged into the, into the First Security chain. And, I don't know, usually what happened in that type of situation is that when the banks closed, I'm forgetting how many [00:28:30] days they were closed, they were closed for a few days. I presume days. I presume somebody didn't lose quite a lot of money on them, but during that time where you could usually, see in those days, so much of the business was run on credit. And monthly bill type of situation, you know, charge accounts and all of this type of thing. ELMO: So you could, if [00:29:00] all the banks were closed, you could always go down and get all the groceries you need and stuff, but most everybody had a charge account for groceries and everything else. And then when the super chains come in, Safeway was the first supermarket to come in in this area and why that's just strictly went to cash. And [00:29:30] really a lot of the businesses, grocery stores that did close, small grocery stores, neighborhood grocery stores closed for two reasons. They had too much on the books, they couldn't buy type of situation, or they just run out of business or were priced out of the market by Safeway. And And that was the first, the [00:30:00] Safeways, and then they had another store which was part of Safeways, Skaggs was a big delivery company at the time, but that's about it. Albertsons came but that's about it. Albertsons came in probably later. ELMO: Of course your other business, a lot of other businesses that did close, I think was mainly [00:30:30] by changing the times. Such as, when they changed the batteries, they changed over to wagons, wagon stores, farm influence stores, went into automobile, automotive stores. I remember that my uncle [00:31:00] had a, for years when he came out here, he came out here in the 1890s, and he had a harness and sporting goods store. As time went along, I presume he got over to things, but times changed and the demand for harness and stuff like that just wasn't there. [00:31:30] Buggy whips and that type of thing wasn't there, so that just closed up. Those types of stores changed a little bit. ELMO: In the late Depression days, I don't remember, but there were many stores. We weren't really, were many stores. We weren't really, there may have been, sure, there may have been some people that really suffered, but most [00:32:00] people, our family wasn't, it was a very common family type of thing, but we never did suffer at all. There all. There was always enough to do. END OF RECORDING Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Elmo Crill Recording 1 of 4 https://d1y502jg6fpugt.cloudfront.net/76642/archive/files/4551055e315ab4c4893c5af2091e98b2.mp3?Expires=1789603200&Signature=MsJTrMqeqh7fbfd-hjYjptSFiky3R%7ETm2KpysfR4J0v9eOQlzOI4JoYTyxwhKZj9dJnt08AYTVu1IIdITJ9l6Yo0lHgdjHzSMBMXZgn9a%7EVZHgnzgmrA0qEHAwYdqdJm8q1ZmO9f6pjfeXGDwtwVoza5JbIKfSGpNStUG4tujGXqUZkXtogarkUAf4dxQS54yKYSL6Dwt4a7AlUh2IZZfuVaR-9Jr3F70fEeiaTL5BUCUh-%7EAuzBrGqhXUTP2dp5jLB179aFkJTCdh6g9iO3GVEH0eZOiOjnpTtPNz0DqjsKcFDeKXccU4VpNFZA0LUEVwpZejHza8WwQ2vJhZvCjA__&Key-Pair-Id=K6UGZS9ZTDSZM 9a1674940b23619d114aea250a0147a7 PDF Text Text SUE STARK: Several people said, we didn't even give a name to it. It was just, it was the way everybody was living, and so we didn't feel unusual. ELMO CRILL: No, they never, but I don't know if there's anybody, I really don't know if there's anybody starving, or families that, cases that you hear, but you probably didn't, you don't, you didn't have the media that you [00:00:30] have now, you had a weekly paper, the Free Press was a daily paper, but the Nampa-Leader Herald was a weekly paper, and you didn't hear that type of situation in there like you do on the news and this type of thing. It was just, I guess, just expected. Everybody was in the same deal, and there was not a a good, to me, there was a good spirit [00:01:00] of cooperation in the people that did have jobs, was willing to let somebody work a day or two, you know, if they needed it, and this type of thing. And the farm work was, and you could always, fortunately, I was in a position that two ways, [00:01:30] I never did, my father was an engineer, and he was, I don't remember except for a few days when he just says, I'll work off, and then the NRA came in, and he was working 36 hours a week, that's the last time he was working all the [00:02:00] time, and fortunately, when I was going to college, and after I was married, I was working all the time during the Depression. The days that I didn't work, whether it was in the summertime or something like this, I could always go out and find a job in the hay or this type of situation, [00:02:30] so we never did suffer during the Depression, no, maybe some of them did. It seemed like it was all in the same boat, nobody had anything more than you did, and you didn't have any more than they did, and it was just a big happy family, I guess, because you had to make your own, you had to make your own entertainment. SUE: Did the churches play much of a role in helping people that needed help? ELMO: [00:03:00] I would imagine yes, I think that there was a lot of church activity at that time on aid and this type of thing, specific cases, I don't remember, but I'm sure there was, but that was the only place you could get it, there wasn't any such thing as relief or welfare or anything like that. SUE: [00:03:30] What were people's feelings about the New Deal? Did it affect people much here? SPEAKER_00: Not a whole lot, other than the WPA provided work for an awful lot of people, and the uh in Nampa [00:04:00] the post office, the first part of the post office was built during that time, and this gym and the gym that they were building, it was all hand, in other words, they had a big concrete mixture and you shoveled the [00:04:30] sand and the rock and the cement into this mixture and let it turn wild, and and then you wheeled it by wheelbarrows up, and when it got up high, they had an elevator type of deal that you wheeled the wheelbarrow on and raised you up to this level, and then you put air into the bottom, it was all built by hand type of situation, now they just [00:05:00] run a pipe up there and squirt the cement up to it and build it, so there was a lot of work that way in WPA, they rotated the people so that everybody got a chance to work, they thought it was a pretty good situation, there was quite a lot of grumbling at one time about NRA, but of course that came out [00:05:30] in the beginning of the war before we got into it, or during that time, the emblem of the NRA was the eagle and a lot of people felt that was too close to the German, Prussian, Hitler, you knew the type that he had with the red wings that came down, so there was a lot of talk [00:06:00] that he was a communist, this type of situation, with that emblem for NRA, but to me that was a good situation, it provided a lot of help. SUE: What was life like in Nampa during World War II? Did having so many workers, of course you said that a lot of the people that were gone were then replaced as workers by the prisoners. ELMO: [00:06:30] Of course everything started booming when the war started, you couldn't get anything, but I don't think too many people, those that went to the war were of a younger age type of thing, and and you had a lot of, [00:07:00] there were no war industries here, but you had a lot of this type of thing, and it started booming pretty much at that time, and farmers I guess had some problems hiring enough people, and of course you had the blackouts, everything was turned off all the time, as [00:07:30] opposed to every window shut so that you couldn't get any light out, they had the block wardens that walked around, if they could see a little light through the windows, knock on your door and tell you to turn the light out or black out the window, and during the war they had uh, what do [00:08:00] you call them, the sky watch or something like that, and man, that's the reason that that building down on, right across from the M&W Market there, where the Boy Scout deal is, that was one of the buildings that was built there for the main purpose of having a watch for planes on top of that [00:08:30] building, and and they had a whole place up there, you could volunteer to watch for any planes that might come over. SUE: Did the people watch war news? Were the people interested in war news, were they buying newspapers, were they following it closely? ELMO: Yeah, I think to a certain extent [00:09:00] they would watch that, and of course then you started having radio coming in very strong, we got some radio stations locally, and they were all interested in what was going on, particularly when they got all excited, I [00:09:30] know, when they hit the coast of two or three Japanese planes that made it to the coast from someplace, and and a couple of bombs that didn't explode out on the coast, they thought they were right after Pearl Harbor particularly, but it was pretty anxious really, because they didn't know what was going to happen. And of course then, during that time, [00:10:00] they moved the Japanese away from the coast, and there was a lot of them in here, there was a lot of them in here, that's the reason a lot of them are here, and also about Ontario and Nyssa and this type of thing, and there was an awful lot of hard feelings amongst the people [00:10:30] against the Japanese that were in this area, that that had nothing to do with it, and the fact that they were Japanese and visible, they took an awful lot of abuse on the thing. SUE: My mother said she can remember there were stores with signs in the windows, no Japanese allowed, she said she can remember some people would even [00:11:00] cross the street rather than walk by somewhere. ELMO: Yeah, Yeah, that's what I think, the main stores were really the Greek, and that came later, but there was quite a lot of Japanese that, even though they lived here all their lives, they were still singled out. And I can remember one time being in the 40 garage, and a guy [00:11:30] by the name of Shepard was waiting on a young Japanese boy, he was probably in his twenties, a lived here born and raised here in this area, and and some guy walked in, and he just, I was in there, and he just raised everything and used some of the most abusive language you ever heard about the fact that, why are you waiting on him? Now, [00:12:00] I came in the store, you should quit waiting on him and wait on me, and the young kid just couldn't do anything, and take it. And I was really, really admired Mr. Shepard when he told me, he said, this man was born in Nampa, he's a native [00:12:30] of Nampa, he has never had anything to do with the Japanese over there, and I said, I'll wait on him and I'll wait on you when I get through. And he said, if you don't like it, you can turn around and walk out, and he did turn around and walk out, but he probably couldn't do it. But they did take a lot of abuse that way. SUE: How about after the war, when people got out of the camps and came back [00:13:00] to the area? ELMO: They still had a lot of that kind of a situation. There was a lot more racial prejudice back in those days, and you never, you never thought of it as racial prejudice. No, #Seichi, who's been here for years, and #Chiki, [00:13:30] and Hashida, I remember one time, we were bowling in Twin Falls, and we stopped in to race to play there, and Seichi said, I don't know whether they let me in here or not. He says, when we were stationed at Hunt, when we were living at Hunt, which is just up in the middle of the #Gulf of Vegas, I said, we weren't allowed in [00:14:00] any of these restraunts, and I said, well, let's go in and find out. If they don't want you in here, the rest of us, we'll just walk out with you. But they didn't have that type of thing, and this same prejudice for years came on the Mexicans. When the Mexicans started moving in here as migrant workers, there was lots and lots of stores that said, no Mexicans allowed in here. Mainly because I presume that they couldn't speak the language, a lot of [00:14:30] them couldn't understand this type of thing, but I can remember way back in the late 20s, I was in Seattle, and there was a big sign in the theater window in there that said, no sailors or dogs allowed. ELMO: So you see, race affairs goes way back. When you have a group of people that comes in that are a little bit [00:15:00] different, and sailors up there are probably causing problems. They didn't have sailor suits on there, you could recognize them with this type of thing, and so it was easy to, and that's the same thing here. They took it pretty hard. Restaurants wouldn't serve them, particularly the Spanish, Mexicans came [00:15:30] in, they took it pretty hard because, particularly the kids, I've seen lots of signs that said, no Mexicans allowed. Same as the Japanese. Same as the Japanese. The Japanese, after the war, the Japanese racial prejudice pretty well dropped. The [00:16:00] POWs came in here, they weren't allowed to come to town very much. We had two camps, there were two camps here of POWs during the war. One was out north on Franklin, and the other was out on 12th Avenue, which is the labor camp down there, and the [00:16:30] other one is where L.E. Gray bought the POWs. SUE: Did any of those people stay, or did they all go home after the war? ELMO: No, I No, I don't think any of them stayed. But you had no problem with them. None of them ever tried to escape, but I had no problem with anything. My uncle lived out there, and he used V.W. help on his farm for years [00:17:00] during the while they were here, and practically all he used, because that's about all you could get. You didn't have the influx of migrant workers coming through here, because at that time they were all working in defense plants, and that's where they migrated from. To from. To the coast, that's one of the reasons that the coast got such big influx of people that stayed there, was [00:17:30] the shipyards in Vancouver, and the shipyards in Portland, and the defense industries up and down the coast in Washington, and this type of situation up around Seattle and Tacoma. They drew a lot of people, even from here, and they never came back. Particularly, they were heavily recruited [00:18:00] from the south and the midwest for shipyard work. SUE: [00:18:30] It's really interesting listening to you and meshing it in my mind, the stories that my parents have told me, the way that it all fits together. ELMO: One story that my uncle used to tell me, that he had told me about some of the characters here in town, the things they used to do. Of course, you made your own entertainment, so [00:19:00] usually you would play tricks on somebody, just like Uncle Cy Garver and Con Dewey, which was the brother of E.H. Dewey. And Pat Murphy were all great great pals, and they used to go duck hunting out at the Lake, not the lake up the river at one point. [00:19:30] And so they decided one day that they would catch old Pat Murphy. Pat Murphy lived in a two-story brick house that's still standing over there on about 19th Avenue. But he But he kept his shotgun and his shotgun shells in a cupboard on the back porch. In those days, no one ever locked the doors. [00:20:00] So they decided that they would get a hold of Pat. I'm not sure whether they went into the well on the back porch and they got his box of shotgun shells and doctored him with a box of shotgun shells of the same kind. But anyway, they took his shotgun shells, a lot of his cupboards, and replaced them with a box of shotgun shells that had no shot. [Inaudible] So [00:20:30] they took and went out on the river, and Pat Murphy prided himself that he was a real good trap shooter, this type of thing. It's one of the things we used to do quite a bit. So he went up on there on the duckhill farm [inaudible] He shot that whole box of shells up and never killed a duck. [00:21:00] And I said, it was funny up to a place, but the more he shot at these ducks, the worse he got, the madder he got. And he said that they never did. I don't think he did, but I said, we never did tell him that we [00:21:30] had taken the shot out of his shotgun shells. SUE: Oh that's great ELMO: But because he was so mad, he would have probably killed him. SUE: [Laughs.] He never gotten the shell. ELMO: They used to tell that. That was one of the things. They always had a way on the thing, but none of the stories they used to tell. Pat Mahoney was an Irishman, and he was the chief of police. [00:22:00] He had an old bird, uh bloodhound, and I don't remember what he called him, but Mr. Mahoney, I don't remember now. But when the kids got into trouble and they were staying out after curfew or catching them on the street like that, he'd usually just tell them, he said, no, my dog needs exercise. You be down to the police station Saturday morning. And then [00:22:30] he would turn the kids loose, and then after a little while, he'd set the bloodhound off. And of course, that would scare the kids, and they'd run, and the dog would bay and stuff. If he'd ever caught up with the kids, he probably would have licked him to death. But that was punishment for a lot of the kids that was caught on the thing. And [00:23:00] once they got the dog on their tail, it never happened again. But that was common practice, to play practical jokes on everybody around town. All the merchants did the same thing, because that was part of make-your-own-entertainment. Then later, after the war and this type of thing, when [00:23:30] TV started to come into this area in , I remember that particularly down in the one of the places where they had a TV in the window, they had a TV in the store window. And the first come in there for weeks and months, and then they didn't have any programs. They were just testing, or they would have a test pattern on the screen, and the screen was only about [00:24:00] that big. But I remember people standing on, a great big crowd, standing on the street watching that silly SUE: test pattern ELMO: Yea test pattern. That's all that was on. They'd stand there, they'd have a run at night, and they'd go down the street, particularly in front of, on 13th Avenue, where Winthers had their music store. Why, there'd be a big crowd out there watching, and you'd go look to see what it was, and here it was, that silly test pattern. SUE: Probably [00:24:30] as good as some of the things people watch now. ELMO: One of the channels, KFXD brought Channel 6 in here for a while, and their studio was out there, and it was a small lot like this. But uh the camera was over here, type of thing, and you sat here, and the camera shot out this way to a mirror and back, [00:25:00] so you could get the depth of the thing. But the room was so small, you couldn't put a camera there. I remember if they had those, they had that close, but it was a deal, and everybody, of course it was silly. First programs silly. First programs come on, that's where Milton Berle, you know. It got its fame, world, you know. It got its fame, those slapstick meals that they put on, on TV, when it first came out. SUE: Do you remember some of the [00:25:30] other practical jokes? ELMO: Not particularly. Oh, I do know one that might be, and I don't know really who did this, I've heard, but I'm not sure. There was a man that used to live here in town by the way, by the name of Leighton Everly. And he ran [00:26:00] a parts store, which is now, [in audible] anyway something, but somebody, I don't know who it was, Leighton and his wife were gone. Somebody went and got in the house, and again, no one ever locked the doors. But while they were gone, somebody [00:26:30] came in and brought in a mallard duck. And they put it, they filled the bathtub full of water, and they put it in the bathtub and tied its leg to the bathtub. And when he came home, all he hears is the duck is in there, quack, quack, quack, quack, quack. Things like that. I don't know who did that. SUE: [00:27:00] Did you ever do any? [Laughs] ELMO: Well, no, not to those type of people. I'll tell you, I was scared of people like that. Like, for example, once Lloyd and Wenger and other people like that were, you held them in awe, you know. He might have played a few [00:27:30] jokes on other kids around town. I remember one time other kids around town. I remember one time I was down at the post office, and the guys down there kept some stuff, and they had a bottle of honey that came with rope and stuff. And this guy trailed that honey across the whole floor, across the desks of the city carriers, rural carriers, and they had honey all over the place. And it took days to clean-up. SUE: Oh, I bet. ELMO: [00:28:00] Well, mostly it was merchants type of thing. And then there was, in the wintertime, there was a lot of ice skating down there. It might be interesting fact is that my father helped build Lake Lowell and [inaudible] . [00:28:30] He helped build that. He had an engineer on that job. SUE: Did people skate on the old lake that used to be at Lakeview Park? ELMO: Yeah, there was what they called Lake Ethel. They skated on it. And then there was a lot of skating on what later in the years, in the 20s and 30s, a lot of skating on Sugar Beet, what they called Sugar [00:29:00] Beet, which is that pond out there right where Pacific Press is. You see, that whole area that, Indian Creek used to flood. Indian Creek flooded every year in this area. And very few people know, really, that Indian Creek is a very long stream. [00:29:30] Indian Creek heads in the mountains east of Mountain Home. So it carried a lot of water when it came down. And all of that area that's back of the Storeys in there, it all flooded. And Kings flooded that area, Kings Front, Kings Packing. And particularly down here, the fact is, [00:30:00] all of that area that's down on First Street, until you come to the hiding ground on 16th and back in where that railroad makes the bend there, which that wasn't in there, that was put in there later, but that was all swamp. And Indian Creek used to flood a lot. And the dam that made Lake Ethel [00:30:30] was put up on Mason Creek over there, close to the park. And that was put in there by the Deweys to irrigate all of that land. That used to be all Dewey's hay fields and stuff in there. And that was put in there, and it made a lake that run clear across 16th, before 16th was there. That's where the bowl, and then it run clear back across, [00:31:00] it would run back in past the railroad tracks, back in there where that housing project is on Sugar Avenue, and those type of things was all part of that lake. SUE: That's a pretty good size lake. ELMO: Pretty good size lake, pretty good size lake. Pretty good size lake, wasn't too awfully deep, but you can tell how deep it was at this end, by the dam and the road that goes across that, around the park, around the bowl. And it was probably [00:31:30] 20, 30 feet deep at this end, and then just washed out as it came back. And that was one of the great things. Of course, Nampa really started on the north side, and the north side is the oldest part of Nampa. SUE: That's just about the end of it. END OF RECORDING Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Elmo Crill Recording 2 of 4 https://d1y502jg6fpugt.cloudfront.net/76642/archive/files/260178c0acb04a9688f6b2f63e861c97.mp3?Expires=1789603200&Signature=Z5gfjxtOnbRA74ll9X9qA5y7L7E1une2jFSqWlVK5mKFmPmhPvRsawc6LWGuhJJ9p6KGzf2HAPFSjpAdsMZL5%7E-A5Uv2mpiEDf55M%7EXLQ5ngBqfVN3Mt4%7EZA-qASu8YJ-n03N2VvBcXnmW44kNIRugNQnqjI9Hg24bjPCHhAFwmX2LYDJYWE2q-xGl%7EpjeTSaWSt8vVyc1I5Q6oBcN8UcQxqh37nzq4nUzj1B1VacGzdLkqdCeBY459yo5cRxRi4fwD5Y-dtgKpzNWduaLtH%7EeyPLw4b4Czc5TS7k8sbvZu-rYElJGV-tB%7EJPP5O6otzQCojLQJJtxebqMxzHoHGxA__&Key-Pair-Id=K6UGZS9ZTDSZM 720f78cab212a395c2f255288650872f PDF Text Text ELMO: My family, both of my parents' families came here either late 1890s or the early 1900s. It's a kind of interesting situation, many of the younger people don't know the situation, but [00:00:30] how this part of the country was settled and why there is certain church denominations that may be more prominent than others in the community is that this is the way a lot of of these people came into Nampa. When the Union Pacific built the line through here, they were granted so much land on each side of [00:01:00] the river. And of course, you can't run a railroad unless you've got something to haul. They turned a lot of this land over in areas to what they called land agents. And usually those land agents were ministers, this type of situation, or different people. But [00:01:30] these land agents got so much land and so much ahead for every family they could bring to this area. And they were allotted places, like one land agent was allotted Nampa, another land agent would be allotted Caldwell, Parma, wherever the railroad went through. [00:02:00] East, down in the Burley area and all those areas where the railroad came through, they had land agents. Well these land agents would go back east and recruit people to come out here. Railroad would, you could put all your belongings on there, your cattle or anything in a box car and all your kids and everything and move out here for a dollar. And then you could take a homestead. [00:02:30] Well it so happened that the land agent for Nampa was a man by the name of Graybill. And he was a Brethren minister. And he would go back, he went back particularly into the Midwest, in Iowa, Indiana, Ohio and other places. And he would [00:03:00] go to the churches and preach the sermon and he would make his pitch for land agents. My mother's family, they came out here from Iowa and my father's family came out here from Indiana. My father's family came out here because my grandfather had TB and they said this western country. [00:03:30] But this was the way that they would settle these places. SUE: So your parents met after they moved here? ELMO: Oh yeah, uh-huh. But that's the reason that the Brethren Church here in Nampa was the predominant church for years for a long time. Because of the fact that the land agent was in the same way up and down the line. The other land agents were other denominations and so this was the reason that you have this type type of thing. But this was the way [00:04:00] it was settled, the land agents going back and getting people to to come out. Then they started on the dam out here. It's quite interesting, my grandparents on my mother's side lived out here north of town on on the river. And [00:04:30] one of my uncles used to work in what was down in the Givens Springs area. And every weekend they'd walk back from there, just cut right straight across. There across the river on an old Bernard's Ferry there and then just cut right straight across across the hills to out here. Sometimes we'd ride horses. But there wasn't anything there. There was no lake or nothing. [00:05:00] And as it became more settled, the reason that Indian Creek now doesn't flood anymore is anymore is because there's a big dam across it at Mtn. Home. If you've been across uh if you've been in Mountain Home going across the interstate, just before you get to to Mountain Home you notice that big lake [00:05:30] that sets off to the right, that's Indian Creek. SUE: I didn't I didn't know that. ELMO: Yeah, that's Indian Creek. That's Indian Creek. That's Indian Creek from the head's way on up in the mountains. Well they catch that water there in that big dam. And then Indian Creek comes on down and when it gets down to below, or on the other side of Kuna, all of Indian Creek runs into the New York Canal and becomes part of the New York Canal. That the canal that's running past, [00:06:00] or Indian Creek that's running past Kuna is Indian Creek plus the water that's coming out of Barber Dam. And that is, as you get further down, well that's completely sealed off. And all of that water that comes from overflow from that dam there at Mountain Home and the hills up there runs into the lake. The [00:06:30] only water that we get in Indian Creek now is the water that is subsurface water and the runoff from the spring water from between here and Kuna. You just don't have it that way. It It used to flood. It used to flood. I've seen that whole area just daubed with water. We used water. We used to go catch bullfrogs out there around what is now 16th, 17th, and 18th Avenue North. [00:07:00] That was all swamp back in there. We used to go catch bullfrogs. SUE: That's interesting because when people talk about this area, they often talk about it just being open sage and I had never thought of it as being swampy at all. ELMO: Yeah, all. Yeah, on the other hand, it's swamp. And my father's parents had their, when they moved in here, their home was in, or their place was out on South Powerline Road. [00:07:30] And when they put the canal in through there, well, that's all swamp down in there. You You know, a lot of the two-wheeled seal and two-wheeled duck that you can name, they all became swamp in that name, they all became swamp in that area. If I get here, I'll tell you about it. . I can't get over the fact that he was Earl's daughter. SUE: Oh, yeah. [00:08:00] I realized after we met that first day at the restaurant that I should have told you. When I told Dad I was going to be interviewing him, he said, oh, he'll have lots of good stories for you. When your grandparents walked to town, were they just coming in to see people or coming in for supplies? ELMO: [00:08:30] Yeah, they would always. Everybody came in once a week usually on the thing. It was a day's trip. Even if there was a, even from, now, my aunt and uncle lived out just north of the sugar factory. [00:09:00] Maybe a mile north of the sugar factory. And we used to come over. We used to be out there a lot. Every Saturday, why you'd hitch up the horse to the buggy and come to town. And they would bring the cream and the eggs and butter that they'd made or this type of thing. [00:09:30] They'd come to town on the thing and it was a day's trip. Sometimes you'd leave in the morning and you wouldn't get back until dark just from there. Now you can go out there back for lunch. But that's the same way it was when they were there. They were out for, what you'd say, probably five or six, seven miles or more off the river. It was still by day's drive by team to come [00:10:00] to town and go back. And that was one of the things that Saturday night, one of the great entertainment that you, when you made your own entertainment during the Depression times, was to, if you had a car, well you could take it downtown, park it on the street and watch the people go by. Everybody went down on Saturday nights. It was a big time. [00:10:30] That's when you met your friends and this type of thing. You didn't care. And And the same with the farmers. The farmers, their great day in those days was county fairs. Grange county fairs type of thing because that's the only time in the autumn time they only met time they only met their friends was once a year when they had a big fair. Otherwise they were fully isolated. Now, why [00:11:00] you know, fairs aren't in much of interest to anybody because there's another thing more important. And you can get in your car and come to town anytime. So Saturday nights now mean nothing to come to town. But that was a good entertainment to spend the whole night. But now you can watch TV. But then you had to do something so you came to town and watched the people to see who you who you could see. And if you didn't have a car, you walked uptown [00:11:30] and you walked on the streets or somebody would like you to come in, rest a while in their car. SUE: Sounds like fun. I had a question and I just lost it. ELMO: Sure. I guess we just answered that one. It says, why do you like [00:12:00] to go, why was your first, I don't know how to say that. What was it how to say that. What was it like to go to town on Saturdays? And why do you think it happened? SUE: Was there an area where they had a farmer's market set up for all the produce people brought in? ELMO: Not a produce. Most of it went through the stores, this type of thing. Really not a farmer's market. There was a sales [00:12:30] yard. They had what they called a sales yard and every Saturday they had a sale and you could sell. You could sell anything that you wanted to sell from old stoves to cows and pigs and stuff and that was down there on the corner of 14th and 2nd Street. Most of all of that area was just [inaudible]. They [00:13:00] had a restaurant in there that was manned by the women from the Brethren Church and they had a restaurant in there and you could buy anything that that was, not that there was a sales yard in there, but like the big open farmer's market and and most of all everybody sold their eggs and their butter and a [00:13:30] lot of the cream that they didn't want to the creamery. There was a Jensma Creamery that was, first was located, the first Jensma Creamery was located where the body shop is on 10th right across [00:14:00] from the Arctic Circle there. I'm I'm trying to think of the guy's name, I'm not, but it's a body shop. It It used to be Dobbs Body Shop and then they moved from there to what is now the seed company on the corner [00:14:30] of 9th and 1st in there and all of your cream, everybody that, all the farmers always had separators and they separated the cream and most times there wasn't anything there was very little there but they [00:15:00] separated the cream and sold it to the creamery there and later on they sold it to clients and their butter that they made, homemade butter and the eggs were all sold to the stores, the grocery stores. SUE: What about the breweries? ELMO: The brewery was a big attraction, that was one of the big attractions too that you could live. The [00:15:30] brewery started many years ago and then was shut down for prohibition but before prohibition and and then afterwards to a certain extent. It never seemed to take hold after prohibition came in. They manufactured over the beer and the other big breweries and everything but before the prohibition came in effect you could always, people could always go over to the brewery and there was [00:16:00] kind of a park around there and it had a spigot on the outside and you could pick a cup and you could pick a cup and drink all the free beer you wanted, you know. ELMO: And another one of your make yourself activities was the interurban run from here out to the lake and they had a pavilion out to the lake and then they used to have dances or Sunday afternoon picnics and this type of thing. [00:16:30] Those were, picnics and stuff were great in those days and you'd get on the interurban, go out to the lake, spend the day out to the lake and then come back off the interurban and things like that. SUE: You You talked about your grandparents living out by the river. Where did their children go to school? Did they come into town for school or did they have a school out there? ELMO: No, everybody had SUE: a country school. ELMO: They had a little country school. No, the [00:17:00] concept of, really didn't take much hold of bussing kids back and forth. It didn't take much hold until after the war. So, you wouldn't have had to come. Most everybody, the only time they, in those days before, they were all little country schools scattered all over. And, but, that was the only time they [00:17:30] came to town was, well in the early, the late 20s, in the 20s and stuff when they, they graduated from those little country schools and came to the high school. They had to come to town to high school. SUE: How did they get in? ELMO: Well, most of them, if there were any distance at all, a lot of them [00:18:00] rode horseback. And then when your cars came in, but most of them actually boarded in town. They'd either do it with your aunt or your uncle or something like that, but most of them actually boarded in town. SUE: It was probably hard on their families. ELMO: Yeah, and I know a lot of them, even people came from, come to high school, came from as far [00:18:30] away as McCall. They didn't have any high schools in that area. I believe they didn't go to high schools in that area. I believe they didn't go to high school. And And the need to go to high school in those days there was not as great as it is now. SUE: So it took a real effort. Someone really wanted to be there. ELMO: I don't think really in those days that the need to go to high school was as great as it as it is now, the need to go to college. [00:19:00] You could always go out and dig ditches. Now you can't even go out and dig ditches because it's done by mechanical means. SUE: Even more so. ELMO: Well, it's awful. It's good. There's nothing actually as, there's actually nothing as expensive as hand labor. It's [00:19:30] one reason you've got so much stuff now because of the mechanization of it and what it's it and what it's done. SUE: How did you meet your wife? ELMO: At a roller skating party through a friend. [Pause] [00:20:00] Now the roller skating rink then was down on about 12th or 1st Street, and where Webster Caldwell had his feed store. That was a roller skating rink. And there was a roller [00:20:30] skating party down there. A friend, there. A friend, mutual friend, said, hey, come down to the roller skating party. Somebody wants you to meet. I I suppose they told her the same thing. SUE: Is it interesting to you after watching Nampa, the town being the center where everyone comes to, and comes to, and then [00:21:00] it just really, when Karcher Mall opened, it seems as if it just kind of died out and now all the activity downtown ELMO: Well, it's bound to come. The city spreads out that type of situation and there's a difference on the thing. One of the differences is that before you had the automobiles and you only [00:21:30] had the horse and buggy when the automobiles were there and you could walk because there had to be a tight core of stuff close. And this was the thing, the downtown deal on the thing, there had to be a tight core close because you couldn't, like at Caldwell, when [00:22:00] the horse and buggy was a full day's drive, you could leave in the morning. I can remember going to Weiser in a horse and covered wagon. It was a two day's trip. You'd leave here in the morning and you could get to New Plymouth between New Plymouth and Fruitland and then you stayed with some friends there [00:22:30] and then you went on to Weiser on a two day trip. So, in those type of situations, travel was restricted and you had to have a tight core of businesses. This created the downtown situation on the thing. It's also one of the reasons creating towns about every ten miles because that's about the technology. But like Star and Eagle and other places like that, small towns, but it was a tight [00:23:00] core because this is what you needed. As travel became more easy and more widespread and this, by then you needed space like the Karcher Mall and these big shopping centers. You needed a lot of space to park cars that you didn't have in a tight core downtown. There's There's no way you can get it. Then you had people that [00:23:30] said, you've got to keep the downtown core. You've got to keep this downtown core. This is becoming the city and this is what happened. You had no place to park the cars. You couldn't get in, so you'd go out to these shopping centers. You have space and this is what it takes. One person is in a car, this type of thing. When you had the inter-urban, [00:24:00] when it went through, you had no parking problems. Or if you had the buses that used to run here in Nampa before or right after the war, you war, you had no parking problems. Of Of course, you maybe walked a block at the most. You lived out around the college or any place like that. You caught that. You caught the bus every hour and you had no parking problems. You could come down to shop, catch the bus and go back. Of course, [00:24:30] if you came to town in a horse and buggy, why then you had to run down and around. The great place there is down where a large lumber company was. That was. That used to be the place where they all went down and fixed their teams and stuff. Then you walked to town. But their teams and stuff. Then you walked to town. But town. But you had to have a tight core there because that was what they had to do. Now the travel is so easy and so fast [00:25:00] that it's spread out. I don't think that the old old concept of the old towns that existed 50 years ago will never come back. You've got the same situation in that that you had in the difference between stagecoaches, horse and buggies, than than you have for automobiles now. [00:25:30] Really, I don't take a whole lot. I I don't feel too bad about these downtown areas becoming not, not the main focus. ELMO: This is what has happened to Boise. Boise had a bunch of people that had the old concept. You've got to have that tight core of people downtown. [00:26:00] No way to get in and out and this type of thing. So for 20 years, people in Boise have stopped progress by not saying you can't go to the shopping center or any place but downtown. Now we would have never had the Karcher Mall or some of these others if we would have said you cannot have a shopping center except [00:26:30] downtown. And And that cycles the situation. You've got people in town now, right today, that say you can't have strict development. You've got You've got to have downtown core only. This is what the business has been. But to me, you'll never come back. You'll back. You'll have the downtown, but it's got to be a different type than what it was years ago. And the outlying years ago. And the outlying areas will go on forever. [00:27:00] But that's for two things. There's two things that happen in a town is it's much cheaper to build out around the edge of town. To build a shopping center around the edge of town. Because that is the high thing. Another thing is that a town has to deteriorate to the place. The downtown core has to deteriorate to the place where people can buy it and renovate it [00:27:30] into some other type of situation. Feasibly. And this is what's happening to Nmpa right now. Is that the downtown core has deteriorated to the place where the people like John Brandt and the other people that are running them, Dr. Brown and Droulard and this type of thing, are running and can afford to build [00:28:00] it into this type of situation they're building it in now. And it'll be a good deal. But it'll never be the main focus of Nampa. SILENCE: [00:28:30] [Pause] SUE: She asks about Nampa in the recent decades. Nampa in the 60s, 50s, and 70s. We've talked. ELMO: We've pretty well covered most of it. SUE: Yeah, the 50s especially. ELMO: But that's the same thing. Nampa is coming to a town type of situation. We are, I think, not that I've got anything to do particularly with it, but [00:29:00] the attitude of the city officials and the city itself has changed from what it was in the 60s. Even in the 60s and 70s after the war type of thing. And And [00:29:30] in the 70s the attitude was pretty much anti-business, anti-industries. I've tended a lot of it even before I decided to become involved in the city administration. I've I've attended a lot of hearings and I hear people say, we don't want Nampa to change. One of the women, [00:30:00] Mrs. Thinnes, that lives here in town, one time came into the post office and she was telling me, she says, that she assumed after the partial mall was built. And she was lamenting the fact that the downtown area was not the same and and Nampa was not the same. I can't see why they built Karcher Mall [00:30:30] and I can't understand the people. And I said, what's the matter? I said, I think to me what's the matter? I said, I think to me it's pretty good. I said, I said, it's still in the city. Whether it's downtown or whether it's here, it's still in the city. The city is going to get all of that tax base and going to get all of that business, going to provide the jobs. And she says, yeah, I know. But she says, it is not the same. She says, I used to be able to come downtown [00:31:00] and I could visit with the clerks for 10 or 15 or 20 minutes. But she says, out at the mall, why they just don't pay any attention to me. They just do this and they're gone someplace else. And I said, else. And I said, well, that is change. And I said, you can't go around and sit around and visit people like this type of thing while they're supposed to be working. You've got to run this type of thing, isn't it? And this is what it's become. It's [00:31:30] become more or less impersonal. But before it was always just a personal type of thing. Well, how are you Mrs. So-and-so? No one had any time over there. They used to wait on you. You never heard of going over to the shelf and picking up your grown groceries. You went in and gave them a list and they went and got it for you and visited while they were getting it, you know, because it know, because it was a nice, easy type of thing. They didn't do much business, but they had a lot of fun. [00:32:00] And that has changed. That is change. That's what's coming to it. And that it. And that was a lot of the city administration to me was, to a certain extent, anti-business. END OF RECORDING Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Elmo Crill Recording 3 of 4 https://d1y502jg6fpugt.cloudfront.net/76642/archive/files/f554c79338a36ebff22901842c6399d4.mp3?Expires=1789603200&Signature=OhP0v8etPE8eQXWYNVgdZUhS5-4GD1p7NtSwRAuhBY7-5x8qAZzBC8LVCFUzJMYXPyrUkWKdDj5U3j0b0SU8sdOJ%7EM8GcSjge0Zoh5p%7E5V5%7EKr0ESFOYJ%7EImyw0IJuKY8b6HrT0TGEdbsTQoemJWMIeQ3iKGQ7c5I4SEvNwcDnTnATwES5bByWayEx0viwp6PeLVJFPJ1fOFWMknQtioYNeVUsu9NKzibVPX5DfRT9%7EKF2A1X6egfluZl1xYBKIQ6IrzV4mOqFOjBzrpjZNzMjbxlRXzM4jwWNFozOfrZYyR4ZI%7E6rPv%7EjBr20QpObbTK0Vt%7EJDGaX9j4bQOXOyF5g__&Key-Pair-Id=K6UGZS9ZTDSZM a1540e471d1ebeb0e8e4ebd08bc86fc7 PDF Text Text ELMO: I hear people that lament the fact that, well, it was in the paper just the other day, that Boise planning and zoning commission, we count on a lot of shopping centers that will end up at Eagle Road and there at I-84. Because in time, if you do that, it will push the businesses further west, and in time this whole valley will become like Los Angeles. And [00:00:30] in 30 to 50 years, I wouldn't be a bit surprised if this valley does become like Los Angeles, because it isn't bad. It's a change, sure, you're going to have to change your way of life. A lot of people are going to change their way of life, but you can't be, you can't forever say, hey, I want to farm out here to live in town. I want to farm out here because I can have horses and this type of thing. But where am I going to get a job? [00:01:00] There's a few of them that have got jobs, I always say. People have come from California to get up here, and the next day they say, we can't allow those Californians to come to town. You've got to come in here. But But it will grow, there's no doubt in my mind that this valley will grow. And you should, you've got to accept change. I remember change. I remember when [00:01:30] they fought the railroads because the railroads was driving their stagecoaches out of business. But it all hit this one place, Middleton. SUE: That's interesting. ELMO: I was really surprised that you hadn't seen much of it, but the spirit of cooperation among the citizens of Nampa is completely changed around. [00:02:00] And one of the evidence of it is the spirit of cooperation that you're getting on this golf course. People that don't even play golf course, don't even play golf are out there working on it for nothing. SUE: Hope it will go over into the schools. ELMO: Well I think it will. I don't know if it it will. I don't know if it will be a concentrated effort, but I understand that even some of those kids out here, high school kids [00:02:30] are working on it. And doing anything they can type of thing. That is just one aspect of the thing. The schools are becoming more and more civic oriented than they used to be. But I see a real bright future at Nampa. [00:03:00] There's only one problem that will keep Nampa from growing, and that is water. It's possible there's a lot of water on the Boise River, but I mean water. Here's the area we're dependent particularly. Nampa area here is dependent entirely on wells. And [00:03:30] how much can you get out? How much business can you run? But that will be in the future. There's always There's always a way out. We're going to send this Los Angeles area to get more water, this type of thing. To me that's of thing. To me that's the great limiting factor in what this valley will become. SUE: [00:04:00] Do you think a lot of the industry that's going to be coming in will be similar to the computer industry and Pacific Press? ELMO: I can't see any big business. That is a big type of business coming into this area that are what they call dirty, polluting businesses. [00:04:30] To me it's going to come into high tech industries, automotive industries. I would I would be a bit surprised at one of these days to see it. Sometime, you probably will, I won't, but see an automobile assembly factory in this area. Because we are much closer to the markets in some of [00:05:00] the areas than California is. We're much closer to the Northwest market, Seattle, Portland, and we're much closer to Denver and all of these areas. And we've got the areas. And we've got the railroads to keep the interstates running through here. So I would be a bit surprised to see those types of things. SUE: And as close to Boise as we are too. That's really interesting. ELMO: Some place in [00:05:30] this area. And you're and you're commencing to, well the bigger the town is, the less provincialism you've got. The smaller the town is, the more jealously they guard their identity. And we're seeing cooperation between the cities. And the chambers of commerce are cooperating together type of situation. [00:06:00] And I can remember that it wasn't safe to go to Caldwell if you told them you were coming from Nampa. But what I mean is that they're going out to get businesses in town and really don't care whether the business is settled in Nampa or Caldwell or Boise or any of this area. Or even in Mountain Home and these type of things. As long as it comes to this area. It's becoming an area [00:06:30] type of situation rather than a bunch of little individual towns. That was the great cry of posing a post offices. People were so afraid they would lose their identity. No, you can't close a post office. Because, even though it doesn't do any business. Such as Harper and [00:07:00] some of these little towns that are safe to exist really. You had that type of situation in Harper. You can't close a post office in Harper. The people there got up in arms because that's the only place they had to go to while they wait for their kids to come from Ontario on a school bus. They'd go in there and visit with their friends while they wait and take them back and forth. So you had to keep the post office open because you'd lose your identity. And the smaller the town is [00:07:30] the more you guard that identity. The bigger it becomes. Which is, this area is becoming not a group of a lot of little towns. It's becoming an area of a big area. It's becoming an area type. The Treasure Valley or Boise Valley instead of Nampa. Boise Chamber of Commerce are all working together as a greater chamber of commerce to this area. It's becoming more of an area oriented than little towns. Because [00:08:00] the towns are getting bigger. SUE: Do you think that it will become less conservative politically as it grows larger? Do you think that will remain? ELMO: To a certain extent you probably will. But this area, most of them, is pretty conservative. But the more people you get in here the more diverse your thinking becomes. And it could change to a certain extent. [00:08:30] I I hope it don't become real radical. But But then there's no doubt that if you're going to get a lot of people in here you're going to have some radical groups. As it gets bigger it becomes a government. SUE: That's really interesting. END OF RECORDING Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Elmo Crill Recording 4 of 4 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Nampa Oral History Collection Description An account of the resource Oral histories recorded 1984-1986 for Nampa's Centennial celebration. About 60 individuals shared their recollection of the early days of living in Nampa. Some of these people's stories relate to photos in the Historic Photo Exhibit. 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Haystacks and Horses on Deerflat Subject The topic of the resource Coe, Ira. Coe, Claude. Coe, Rebecca. Contributor An entity responsible for making contributions to the resource Nampa Centennial Committee Description An account of the resource In 1914, Ira, Claude and Rebecca Coe posed in front of a partially used haystack. The workhorses had names and personality traits which could have been recounted in detail by any of these early settlers. Alas, these memories have faded. 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For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource World War II farm help Description An account of the resource During World War II, store managers were asked to have their clerks help farmers produce and harvest food. Clerks from Stanford Store went and helped. 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Title A name given to the resource Frances McGinnis Recording 1 of 1 PDF Text Text EVA VERNER: This is an interview with Mrs. Frances McGinnis, who with her husband Robert came to Nampa from Nebraska in May of 1938. The interview took place on May 30, 1935 -- 1985 -- in my kitchen, as I live next door to Mrs. McGinnis. She tells about the Depression years and many other interesting miscellaneous comments about life in Nampa. (break in audio) You don’t need to be nervous about any of this. Though I was looking at the dates and things you gave me when you filled out the – FRANCES MCGINNIS: Oh? EVA: -- paper database. And is it right that you’d been married about 12 years when you came to [00:01:00] Nampa? FRANCES: A little bit longer than that, because we were married in ’24, and we came to Nampa in ’38. So that would be -- EVA: So that would have been about 14 years, yeah. What caused you to come to Nampa? FRANCES: The lack of work in that area. It was the Depression time, and we couldn’t -- Robert couldn’t find work, so he had -- I had answered an ad out of the Omaha World Herald. They wanted a mechanic in Rupert, Idaho, and then also we had a friend who was here in Nampa, a barber. And he suggested that we come here. So we came to Idaho, and we stopped in Rupert, and Robert had the job in the [00:02:00] garage. But we decided we still wanted to come to Nampa, and so we came to Nampa. And we arrived in Nampa on Memorial Day in 1938. EVA: Well, was that in the years of the Depression, wasn’t it? FRANCES: Yes. Yes. EVA: What was Nampa like in those years? FRANCES: It didn’t have all of the buildings that they have now. It was -- well, it was just like a small town. EVA: Was the downtown area where it is now? FRANCES: Oh, yes. EVA: Which stores do you remember? FRANCES: Well, Albertson’s was uptown, and then Safeway’s came in, and Pennywise used to be uptown, and Montgomery Awards had a retail store, [00:03:00] and I can’t think of anything more right offhand, but – EVA: Where did you shop mostly? FRANCES: Albertson’s, at that time. And it was later that Safeway came in, and I don’t remember just exactly where Safeway was, but it wasn’t uptown. EVA: Yeah. That Albertson’s wasn’t where the Albertson’s is now, there. FRANCES: Oh no. Oh no. It’s where -- Albertson’s was where-- I believe where Statewide is, and we enjoyed their ice cream. They made good ice cream, and we always got ice cream cones. EVA: [00:04:00] Well wasn’t money kind of scarce? FRANCES: Oh yeah. EVA: Did you have very much when you arrived, and – FRANCES: No. Very little. EVA: And you had three children? FRANCES: Yes, and we picked peas, we tended bees, we picked spuds -- early potatoes. EVA: Where did you do all that? FRANCES: Different fields. First one field was on King's Corner, it was pea picking out there, and there was one field down the south of town. I don’t remember who owned it, but anyway, we had to get up early in the morning and get out there before it got hot. We got paid so much a hamper for peas. EVA: What time of -- or you came on Memorial Day, so – FRANCES: Yeah. EVA: What kind of payment did you get for those jobs? FRANCES: I don’t know, but it was so much a pound or so much a hamper, and – EVA: [00:05:00] Did the children all work too? FRANCES: Yes. They went along with us. And same way with blocking and thinning beets, and we blocked and thinned beets at Rupert, and then came on. We did various things like that to give us a little bit of money. EVA: Well that’s kind of backbreaking work, isn’t it? FRANCES: Oh yes. EVA: Do you remember any incidents that happened while you were doing that? FRANCES: Not that I can recall right now. EVA: Any interesting people you met who were also working there? FRANCES: Who? Pea pickers. They’re migrant workers, and they travel from one, you know, from the south up to the north. EVA: [00:06:00] Now they didn’t tend to be the Mexican Americans that we have now. FRANCES: No, no. They were perfect -- poor people just like us, but one incident Robert tells about, he heard something that one morning, and it was thump. After a while, another thump, and he couldn’t imagine what it was. So we watched, and this lady was chewing [Snooth?] and spitting it, and that’s what made the thump noise, as she spit and hit the pea vines. EVA: Oh. (laughter) Added a little good fertilizer to the ground, I guess. FRANCES: Yes. Yes. But that’s -- but the migrant workers were white people same as Mexicans. Not many Mexicans as white people. But they traveled in groups. EVA: Was it hard to find a place to live when you got to Nampa? FRANCES: Yes and no. These friends of ours, his brother was just [00:07:00] leaving a place, and it was just a garage. I think they had a cold water tap and an outside toilet. It was a WPA toilet. And it was a real – EVA: What’s a WPA toilet? FRANCES: (laughs) Well, it was a basically built toilet seat, and I called it a throne. It was -- well, it was a more elaborate toilet, and WPA-ers made it. That was their project, and so that’s what we had. And I did washing on the board there, but anyway, we had a roof over our head. Finally one day, Robert got tired of getting out and going pea picking, [00:08:00] and he came in and cleaned up. And I asked him where he was going, and he says, “Well, I’m going to go to a garage and see what I can find.” So he went to the Hudson Garage, and they hired him as a mechanic. EVA: How long had you been in Nampa when that happened? FRANCES: Oh, we came, of course, the last of May, and it probably was maybe a couple of months or something like that. EVA: Then how long before you moved to a better house? FRANCES: Well, let’s see. Well, I don’t remember just exactly. It was later in the summer, and we had a nice little house. And then Robert got a job over at [00:09:00] the Eagle working in a garage over there, so we moved over to Eagle, and we were there maybe a year or so, and then we came over and rented a place out on South Powerline Road, which was not much. It was a roof over our head. But it gave us an opportunity to get started, and my oldest brother was with us at that time. And we had a cow, and some chickens, and a goat or two, and we did a little -- just got a -- had just a little bit more, and from there we bought an acre and a half, or about two acres, [00:10:00] it was called commercial acres, out on Northside Boulevard, which at that time was a wheat field. And there was just one tree there. We had our choice of either locating on Northside Boulevard or on Sixth Avenue. On Sixth Avenue, we’d have water, but no lights, so we chose to live on a -- settle on Northside Boulevard. We had electricity, but we had to haul water. EVA: How far did you have to haul it? FRANCES: Oh, maybe two or three blocks. It was from an artisan well which is now dry. And at that time, we could cross the railroad tracks where the overpass is now. [00:11:00] And it was kind of confusing at times that the train would block the tracks, and then we’d have to go down First Avenue and cross on Sixth. So I worked -- Robert worked in the garage, and I worked in produce, sorting produce. EVA: For the railroad? FRANCES: No. For Sue Packing Company, and I guess that’s the only one I worked for. I trimmed lettuce, sorted potatoes and onions. EVA: And what did the children do while you were both working? FRANCES: Betty May took care of little -- a couple little children just north of us, and Bob worked [00:12:00] something. I don’t remember just exactly, but Bill kind of just stayed around home, and that was about the sum and substance of it. We all just cooperated as far as work was concerned. EVA: Then when the fall came, the children were all school age, so they all went to school. FRANCES: Yes. Yes. They caught the bus right in front of the house. EVA: Which school did they go to? FRANCES: Bob went to junior high. I think that was Kenwood at the time. I’m not sure. And Betty May and Bill, they went to Lakeview. At the time, we lived out on South Powerline Road, they -- Bill and Betty May went to Eastside, so. EVA: [00:13:00] Have those schools changed their exterior appearance much since those days? FRANCES: Lakeview hasn’t. Neither has Eastside. But of course, Kenwood’s gone. They tore it down. And then the high school’s gone. Bob went to high school. EVA: Where was the old high school? FRANCES: Where the city hall is. EVA: Oh. FRANCES: See the gym -- there’s still the gym there, so. EVA: Yeah. And they made that into a junior high school, though, didn’t they, after? FRANCES: I couldn’t say. EVA: That’s probably when you were gone. FRANCES: Yes. Because we left -- we went to Portland. Robert went in ’41, and then I went up. Well, we left Nampa the day of -- the last day of ’41 and got into Portland as the New Year’s was being [00:14:00] welcomed. EVA: Well who are some of the people you remember meeting in Nampa from those early years that you were here? FRANCES: Well, most of them are dead. George Brooks, who is dead. His wife, Velma, also is dead, and – EVA: Were they neighbors? Or -- FRANCES: No. We used to go to the beer parlor. That was one recreation. And -- or supposedly thinking it was. And that building is gone. And then Robert worked for George Mitchell, and his wife was a whistle, a green whistle, and she has passed [00:15:00] away. So has George, passed away. And this barber friend of ours, who has passed away, and nearly all of the people that we knew and associated with at that time have gone to their reward, so it’s kind of -- makes it seem kind of lonely in a way. EVA: Yeah. FRANCES: We had a pinochle party or group or club, or whatever you want to call it, and all of the couples that were in it are gone except Robert and me and Faye Koontz, who was the barber’s wife. And she lives over in Boise. EVA: How often would you [00:16:00] get together to play pinochle? FRANCES: Oh, maybe a couple times a month. EVA: And would you go to one another’s homes? FRANCES: Yes. EVA: Could you always have a lot of fun? FRANCES: Oh yes. EVA: Did you have prizes or anything? FRANCES: Oh yes. Prizes. EVA: What kind of things for prizes? FRANCES: Any -- something that was inexpensive. (laughter) I don’t remember just exactly what we had, but they weren’t too expensive. It was just the idea. EVA: Yeah. Who was the best pinochle player? FRANCES: Well, I couldn’t say exactly. Robert and I used to be a pretty good pair to play pinochle. EVA: Would you all stay paired with your own husband? FRANCES: No, not necessarily. We played pinochle quite a bit in St. Paul. We lived at St. Paul at that time, when he worked in a garage there, [00:17:00] but we played pinochle with the Danes, and they’re -- they were pretty good pinochle. EVA: When you met for these pinochle parties, would you also have refreshments and things? FRANCES: Oh yes. EVA: What sort of things would you have to eat? FRANCES: Well, we always had coffee at that time, and maybe we had a sandwich -- sandwiches, open-faced sandwiches, maybe cake, if we were fortunate enough to have cake. But it wasn’t an elaborate lunch, refreshment, or whatever you want to call it. EVA: Would you play at card tables or -- FRANCES: Oh yes. EVA: -- around the kitchen table? FRANCES: Well, we nearly always managed to have card tables apiece. EVA: Would you all take the card table [00:18:00] if you had one? FRANCES: Yes. One of us -- sometimes we’d use the kitchen table, but it was an enjoyable time. EVA: How many couples in a group like that? FRANCES: Well, I think we had three tables, so that would mean 12 couples. But we always went for the fun of it, not for the – EVA: Yeah. Would the children go with you? FRANCES: No, not necessarily. They stayed at home. They were able to stay by themselves. EVA: They were old enough then. Did they start dating while they were living here in Nampa? FRANCES: At that time, I think [00:19:00] Bob had a girlfriend at school, and I don’t think he dated as, per se, but I know he came back from Portland a couple times and visited with the kids from school. Whether it’s a special girl or not I don’t know. But anyway, he had a pal, George Rhodes, that he has kept in contact with and he lives at Riddle, Oregon now, George Rhodes does. So I feel that they -- that the youngsters had a good experience. Betty May -- the two children that Betty May took care of was [00:20:00] Gawkner’s, and he had gone volunteer -- he had gone with the MK to Wake Island, and he was on Wake when it was taken by the Japanese. So she went to work, and Betty May took care of the youngsters. EVA: Does that mean he was killed on Wake? FRANCES: No. He came home, but we were in Portland at the time he came home. But by the time he came home, she had left him, and the two children were with his folks. I don’t know where they were, but anyway, they were in the area. But anyway, that’s – EVA: Well were you here in Nampa when World War II started? FRANCES: Yes. EVA: How did that affect the community and your jobs and so forth? FRANCES: [00:21:00] Well, I can’t say that it affected jobs per se, just the same as always. They never paid anything -- the wage was equal to what you would get in war production work, because I know I trimmed lettuce for 18 cents an hour, and long hours. But anyway, it was money. This helped to sustain us. EVA: And then when you went to Portland and started working in the -- what was it, the shipyard or something you worked in? FRANCES: I didn’t work in the shipyard until maybe a year and a half later. I went to welding training school, and then I went -- [00:22:00] took a test and went up into the shipyard. I went into Oregon Shipyard. EVA: And then how much an hour did you make then? FRANCES: A dollar and 45 cents. EVA: And were the lettuce trimmers back in Nampa still getting 18 cents an hour? FRANCES: Yes. If there was any left. EVA: Yeah. Was there quite an exodus from Nampa? FRANCES: I couldn’t say, but I presume so. I don’t know of any of our friends that left Nampa. EVA: What about churches in Nampa when you lived here in those days? Were there as many as there are now? FRANCES: No, because there isn’t as many people as there is now. The Presbyterian church is the Nazarene church uptown. [00:23:00] That was a Presbyterian church. That’s where we went. And while we were gone, I haven’t been able to learn why, but anyway, the congregation split up. EVA: The Presbyterian congregation? FRANCES: Yes. Over some -- something. I don’t know. But they divided, and part of them built the Presbyterian church where it is now, and the other part built the Congregational church out on -- I think it’s Midland. So therefore, when I came -- we came back this time, I was able to go to the Congregational church, and pick up acquaintances there that we knew. EVA: Well, that’s interesting. How many Nazarene churches were here then? FRANCES: [00:24:00] I know there wasn’t many because they had the college -- the campus, which was small. And I can’t recall right now of any Nazarene church other than -- than what was in the campus area. EVA: Was there a Nazarene hospital – FRANCES: Yes. EVA: -- in those days? FRANCES: Good Samaritan. Yeah. I can’t tell you his name, but Doctor – EVA: Mangum? FRANCES: -- Mangum had that hospital. And I often wondered why they discontinued that, but [00:25:00] I imagine it was the financial burden. But anyway, I think that they should have more than one hospital to maintain that little competition. EVA: Did you ever have to go to the hospital? Or were you or any of your family ill? FRANCES: No. We never had any hospital. EVA: Did you go to a doctor? FRANCES: Yes, Bill now. And he’s gone -- or both of them are gone. And Dr. Horton, I think he’s still -- the son is still practicing. And in the building that Magnum had his office in, I can’t recall just exactly what was [00:26:00] downstairs on the first floor, but it burned at some time, and that’s -- part of that is still vacant, that area. EVA: Now where was that? FRANCES: It’s on First Avenue, but I can’t tell you just exactly. EVA: Was the hospital down on First Avenue, too? FRANCES: No. No, no. It’s where – EVA: It was on the campus, wasn’t it? FRANCES: Yes. Where the campus is now. EVA: Yeah. Was the railroad an important part of life here? FRANCES: Yes. Because they iced the refrigerator cars here, and that was -- the ice -- we called them the ice chutes, was over the end. They began at the street where we would cross, and then into town, and in the summertime, [00:27:00] in the busy time, and we’d always -- it was noisy because they would be loading -- or icing up cars. And then the PFE also had shop here, so that was -- of course has been discontinued I think. EVA: How about holiday celebrations like the Fourth of July? FRANCES: Huh? Stampede is the only thing I remember having. EVA: They had big parades and – FRANCES: I can’t say that because I never attended them, especially. But the stampede is always a highlight of everybody’s entertainment. EVA: Did you go to some of those performances? FRANCES: Oh, once in a while we went [00:28:00] to the rodeo, and we became acquainted with A.I. Meyers, who was a brother to the man that my father rented from in Custer County. So we felt like we kind of halfway knew him, and he was a very kind gentleman, and at times he was a very lonesome man. He wanted someone to be with him, to go to entertainments, and so he kind of adopted Robert, and he would come from Caldwell to our place there at Northside Boulevard, and Robert would drive to the entertainment in Boise. They went to rafting matches and ball games, and that was the main [00:29:00] recreation. And A.I. Meyers was -- and he took Robert on a hunting trip one year, but of course A.I. Meyers is gone. EVA: What was his business? FRANCES: Insurance. A. Insurance Meyers. I know what his first name really was, but anyway, Kirkham, see, his wife is a daughter of A.I. Meyers. EVA: Had the seed companies started here? FRANCES: (coughs) No, I don’t think they had started. EVA: What were the sugar beets, potatoes? What were the – FRANCES: They didn’t have sugar beets. We had -- they had potatoes [00:30:00] and peas and onions and potatoes. EVA: How about the fruit out on the Sunnyslope area? FRANCES: Yes, there was fruit out there. Cherries and apples. So the -- but the orchards have grown. Sims Orchard is just the same. Of course it’s grown larger in the years, and -- but they’re still there. And other ones -- I don’t remember any of the others exactly, but I do remember Sims especially. EVA: Did you used to do a lot of canning and preserving? FRANCES: Oh yes. I canned and canned and canned. EVA: What things did you? FRANCES: Well, we’d get culled peaches, and I canned them. There was nothing wrong with them, just [00:31:00] they were overripe, too large, too small. But anyway, I canned peaches. END OF RECORDING Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Nampa Oral History Collection Description An account of the resource Oral histories recorded 1984-1986 for Nampa's Centennial celebration. About 60 individuals shared their recollection of the early days of living in Nampa. Some of these people's stories relate to photos in the Historic Photo Exhibit. Click on the name or subject listed under "Relation" to discover more details about life in Nampa. Date A point or period of time associated with an event in the lifecycle of the resource 1984-1986 Source A related resource from which the described resource is derived Nampa Centennial Committee Oral History A resource containing historical information obtained in interviews with persons having firsthand knowledge. Interviewer The person(s) performing the interview Frances McGinnis Interviewee The person(s) being interviewed Eva Verner Location The location of the interview 513 Lake Ridge Dr, Nampa, Idaho, 83686 Dublin Core The Dublin Core metadata element set is common to all Omeka records, including items, files, and collections. For more information see, http://dublincore.org/documents/dces/. Title A name given to the resource Frances McGinnis Description An account of the resource Frances recalls moving with her husband to Nampa during the Great Depression in search of work. She discusses her home on Northside Boulevard, and the local schools and churches. 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